Metamodernism

Metamodernism is at the cutting edge of philosophy, but it’s not one single thing. Depending on who you read, it’s either a cultural mood, a philosophical rebuild, or a political project.

Here’s a breakdown of the major versions I’ve found. I’m particularly interested in where people think the real “value” lies, and whether any of these actually escape postmodernism, or just repackage it.

1. The “Oscillation” Model (Cultural Aesthetics)

  • Key figures: Timotheus Vermeulen & Robin van den Akker.

  • The gist: Metamodernism is a “structure of feeling” that constantly flips between modern enthusiasm (sincerity, hope) and postmodern irony (doubt, detachment). It’s a both/neither position: you get moments of genuine emotion, but you’re always winking at the audience.

  • The catch: Is it reall new? If you’re just oscillating between realism and anti-realism, you never actually land anywhere. The unresolved flip-flop still leaves you trapped in a postmodern playground.


2. Jason Storm’s “Metaphilosophical” Project (The Rebuild)

  • Key figure: Jason Storm (Metamodernism: The Future of Theory, 2021).

  • The gist: Storm explicitly rejects the oscillation model. Instead, he uses postmodern skepticism against itself to clear the ground, then builds new philosophical tools. He offers:

    • Metarealism: Reality exists independently, but our knowledge of it is always fallible (a “constrained realism”).

    • Zeteticism: Replaces paralyzing doubt with investigative skepticism that seeks the best possible explanation.

    • Revaluation of values: Proposes a critical virtue ethics focused on human flourishing, overcoming the fact/value split.

  • The catch: This gives postmodern prisoners an “escape route” and makes theory possible again—but it’s more of a foundation than a finished building. It doesn’t give you a new cultural aesthetic on its own.


3. The “Meta-Model” & Integrationist Strands

  • Key figures: Brendan Graham Dempsey, Lene Rachel Andersen.

  • The gist: These approaches are about consciously synthesising all cultural logics (premodern, modern, and postmodern) rather than choosing one.

    • Dempsey focuses on “going meta” to reveal a pattern that lets you choose and toggle between frameworks without getting lost.

    • Andersen proposes integrating indigenous, traditional, modern, and postmodern codes into a cohesive whole, using practical tools like the Bildung Rose to map personal and societal growth.

  • The catch: Very ambitious, but can feel abstract or overly academic when it comes to real-world application.


4. Hanzi Freinacht’s “Political Metamodernism” (The Pragmatic Project)

  • Key figure: Hanzi Freinacht (The Listening Society, Nordic Ideology).

  • The gist: This is a straight-up political and societal project. It draws on integral theory but reframes it for practical action. The goal is to “outcompete” liberal democracy and capitalism by fostering psychological development. Key concepts include “dividuality” (reimagining the self as a blend of individual and collective) and six new policy areas (Existential Politics, Empirical Politics, etc.) to guide transformation.

  • The catch: Very pragmatic, but maybe it’s too optimistic about top-down social engineering or if it waters down the philosophical depth.


5. The “Spiritual/Emergent” Strand (Mystic/Black Forest Schools)

  • Key figures: Less documented, but categorised by some theorists as the “mystic” wing.

  • The gist: Focuses on the spiritual, embodied, or transcendent meaning that arises after postmodern deconstruction. Less about policy or aesthetics, more about inner experience and new forms of consciousness.

  • The catch: Tends to be speculative and can drift into New Age territory, making it hard to pin down or debate rigorously.

My own position (Two-phase cosmology/2PC) is a metamodern metaphysical framework designed to replace physicalism with a quantum process metaphysics. It is most closely related to #2 above, but whereas Storm is focused on social science and is talking specifically to postmodernists, 2PC (and its epistemic relation the New Epistemic Deal) provides a post-postmodern metaphysics for the hard sciences and is primarily addressed to a wider non-postmodern audience.

What do you think of Metamodernism?

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As I have never heard of metamodernism until about 10 minutes ago,
I did some research and frankly, I am not quite sure what the goal
is here… but I see some other aspects that confuse me, for example,
how is metamodernism applied? How would I go about or what
would I do to apply metamodernism to a concept, say the longstanding
concept of EVIL…

one of the words that kept popping up in regard to metamodernism
is Irony… so, how would I apply either/or metamodernism and/or Irony
to say, Justice? I am looking at how one applies such a concept…
among many other questions I have about this, but let’s start there,
how does on apply metamodernism to our modern world?

Kropotkin

What all metamodernists have in common is an acknowledgement, often reluctant, that postmodernism is a dead end. Endless deconstruction and intentional epistemic anarchy can’t build anything new. Philosophically it has failed, and politically it has been defeated at the ballot box. Their problem is that having spent their whole intellectual lives systematically denying realism and attacking any attempt to build new foundations, they don’t know how to escape postmodern thinking. This is in no small part because any attempt to build new foundations contradicts their social contract (nobody claims truth, everybody is right, etc…)

but I see some other aspects that confuse me, for example,
how is metamodernism applied? How would I go about or what
would I do to apply metamodernism to a concept, say the longstanding
concept of EVIL…

That would depend on which metamodernist you ask…

They’re not sure (but they know this is the crucial question that needs answering). :slightly_smiling_face:

Just to declare my own position. I like Jason Storm’s position, because he’s helping to show postmodernists the way out of the fly-bottle, but it is a bit like Truman at the end of the Truman show: even Storm doesn’t actually build anything new. He doesn’t go anywhere with it. Or at least if he does, we don’t get to see it.

I’ve also got plenty of time for Brendan Graham Dempsey (who is one of the few people who has actually read my book). As for the others? Their versions look to me like the bargaining stage of grief for bereaved postmodernists. “Hanzi Frienacht” (a pseudonym for 2 people) indirectly called me a fascist in response to my political realism.

So it is a mess, but it is quite an interesting mess.

I don’t know if you’re correct about why they have moved towards metamodernism, but my first reaction is: the reasons they left postmodernism are their philosophical positions.

If you’re (the general ‘you’ not Geoff) saying that Postmoderning doesn’t lead to anything, then your belief is that something must lead to something. That’s your philosophy. You may not like it, and you may not have a justification for it, but if that’s what led the metamodernist in question—whichever one it is—to want to move away from postmodernism, there’s your philosophy, right there in what drove you to move away from PM. Regardless of the truth of postmodernism and its tool set, or its anti-truths, a philosophy should lead to something.

Now, you may think, “Wow, how do I justify that claim?” and ‘If I don’t have a justification, then, that can’t be my philosophy.’ But that’s your philosophy. That’s what motivated you. That’s what got you to move away from postmodernism. That’s what made you leave pm. Same with other reasons: not making it at the ballot box, etc..

Notice the various criteria. They’re not really epistemic criteria; they’re criteria about consequences. So, it’s an argument by consequences. In how you’re categorizing their reasons, I’m not seeing an epistemological objection to postmodernism. I’m seeing, “We don’t like what that does,” or “People don’t like it,” which is an ad populum, ballot box-style argument.

And I’m not saying any of that is wrong, and I’m not saying it’s right. I don’t know why these people did it. I’m accepting as our working hypothesis that you’re correct.

But it seems to me that there are two things here to notice:

  1. Whatever reasons you were dissatisfied with postmodernism, those are your philosophical disagreements with postmodernism. They’re not simply motivations; they’re actual philosophical positions that you have. You just may not have justified them. And the scary thing may be that they hark back to older pre-PM philosophical positions. So, they are treated as mere motivations and then the MMs try to find a new position. But I think it would be more honest to build from their reasons for rejecting. Right or wrong, those are the foundations of their actual objections.

  2. Noting this would mean that there was no fundamental epistemological critique of postmodernism that led them to want to stop being postmodernist.

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I agree, an effective attack on postmodernism would have to aim at its foundations. Its work on top of those is some of the smartest, most well thought out stuff ever written. At least in France.

Deleuze, Foucault, Baudrillard, these are monsters. Other lesser names are still monsters.

I do agree there is a lack of traction there but, if you don’t have a good attack of its foundations, chances are you are unwittingly postmodern and will suffer the same.

We must have read different authors lol.

It’s growing on me, though. Metamodern. Such an apt descriptor, and the overviews you gave so reprsentative. Everybody in their own little sandbox building on the same vague principles under the impression that, because postmodernists noted that understanding of truth wasn’t such a straightforward thing as rationalists thought, then fantasy can replace reality. Like Plato’s ideal state, but without the preexisting topus uranus. Just vague feelings on top of lego ideas. I doubt any serious conviction that any of it is feasible even exists. Just looking for a slice of that pamphlet pie.

Yes, this is a pretty good assessment of the situation. They can see what is happening in the world, they don’t like where we are heading, and they have recognised that postmodernism cannot deliver any significant change.

I have a troubled relationship with one particular group of these people. They are called Second Rennaissance, and they see themselves as an umbrella group for the liminal/integral movement. Their own white papers quote metamodernism, and they exist purely to birth a new cultural paradigm. But they are also completely stuck, and never get passed the talking stage. My presence there is problematic because I am offering them a fully formed new paradigm which meets every criteria they could hope for. The result is repeated suspensions for no given reason, but they cannot ban me because of the amount of mostly-lurkers who can see exactly what is going on. Last time I came back from a ban I posted this, which they largely agreed with, but still don’t know how to internalise and act on it. (this is quite long, but directly relevant).

The Big Tent Paradox - General - Second Renaissance Forum

Based on the current state of books written on this topic the new paradigm we are all searching for should look something like this:

  • Reality is not fundamentally material but relational and experiential . Matter, mind, and meaning are not separate domains but aspects of a deeper unity.
  • Consciousness is not an anomaly but a principle woven into the fabric of the cosmos. It is as basic as mass, energy, or spacetime, and perhaps more so.
  • The cosmos is participatory. Observation, valuation, and relationship help shape what is real, not just passively register it.
  • Time and process are fundamental. Being is not a static block but an unfolding, in which novelty, emergence, and irreducible subjectivity matter.
  • Ecology and interconnection are the true grammar of existence. From fungi and forests, brains to quantum events, the world is a web of mutual becoming, not a collection of separate objects.
  • Meaning and value are ontological, not epiphenomenal. They belong to the structure of reality, not just to human projections.

In one sentence the missing paradigm, according to contemporary integralists, is a participatory, meaning-infused, relational cosmology where mind, matter, time, and life are continuous aspects of one living process: the universe as a communion of subjects. But if we can get this far, why can’t we get any further? Why does the new paradigm always feel as out of reach as ever? [Note: I am not just talking about 2R here – the situation applies to the wider liminal/integral movement]

I believe the answer is that 2R, and all other similar groups I am aware of, are making the fundamental mistake of searching for a new metamodern paradigm inside the postmodern part of the old one. This is directly equivalent to materialistic scientists searching for the new paradigm (to fix their problems) inside physicalist naturalism, unable to even consider that physicalism itself might be part of the problem.

The Old Paradigm according to 2R and similar groups

2R is conflicted about the identity and nature of the old paradigm. Everybody is happy to say modernism is the problem, but what they are talking about started disappearing over a century ago, and what is left of it has since become part of something else. WWI was the beginning of the end of European imperialism, then in 1926 quantum mechanics shattered classical materialism. Postmodernism’s status is far less clear – it was treated by postmodernists (but nobody else) as the successor paradigm to modernism and is still widely viewed by many as a necessary stage of development for both individuals and societies. There is also a muted acceptance that something has gone seriously wrong. At the very least it is admitted to be incomplete, and that it can’t build anything new, which makes it a dead-end.

At the same time, 2R also wants to retain many elements of postmodern thought, including its epistemic relativism and refusal to consider anything that could function as a new “grand narrative.” Metamodernism is regularly mentioned, but there is no consistency about what that actually entails. If defined as an “oscillation” between modern and postmodern then it is functionally identical to postmodernism. Jason Storm’s version is different: it much more clearly identifies anti-realism as the problem, and urges people to start looking for truth and building systems again, but I see no evidence that anybody involved with 2R has accepted and internalised this. Actions speak louder than words, and your actions (and frequently your words too) are those of unreformed postmodernists: there is no serious attempt at coherence or consistency.

The Old Paradigm in reality

Surely the old paradigm isn’t modernism or postmodernism but the entire problematic known as The Meaning Crisis. Classical materialism has been replaced by 30+ different versions of physicalism. Some are metaphysical interpretations of QM and some are physicalist theories of consciousness, none command a consensus, and very few even attempt to integrate these two things. Those that do (e.g. Von Neumann/Wigner/Stapp or Penrose/Hameroff) are fiercely rejected by the mainstream. Our cosmological theories likewise lack integration with QM or consciousness, and the standard model is itself engulfed in a complex and deepening existential crisis, even before attempting to integrate with anything else.

Opposed to these physicalisms are several families of alternatives such as panpsychisms, idealisms and dualisms, none of which adequately account for consciousness, neuroscience and all other relevant empirical evidence. Add to this mix the fractured remains of Christianity (and Islam, the less said the better), plus postmodernism’s galaxy of mini-epistemologies, and we have a menu of hundreds of fragmentary, mutually-conflicting models of reality and knowledge. And AI now lets anybody who can type design their own personal pseudoscientific theory of everything. Have we reached Peak Nonsense yet?

The old paradigm is the whole epistemic situation: an ever-expanding menu of worldviews, none of which even comes close to a coherent model of the whole of reality. All of them either leave essential things out, contain unresolvable internal contradictions, or contradict indisputable empirical evidence (especially neuroscience). Nothing on the menu can assemble a consensus, and every new addition takes us further from that end. The normalisation of this incoherence and fragmentation is the root cause of the Meaning Crisis. The old paradigm is epistemic anarchy : deep confusion about what is real or true, and how to decide what matters, leading to ideological paralysis. I call it “the Age of Disjunction.”

The New Paradigm

Once we have a clear idea of the old paradigm, we can get a clearer idea of the shape of the new one, because it must conclusively displace the old one. This cannot be done by “completing postmodernism”, because adding anything to postmodernism produces nothing but more postmodernism. Moreover, nobody except postmodernists has ever accepted anti-realism as a legitimate “stage” and that won’t change, not least because anti-realist identity politics has been socio-politically defeated in the culture wars.

The only way a new paradigm can actually become a reality is by making most of the current menu obsolete, at least at the most fundamental level of epistemology, metaphysics and science. It must offer an elegant, parsimonious, integrated solution to the whole problem. There will always still be some sort of menu, but in the new paradigm there must be a shared metaphysical-scientific foundation, and the menu must be restricted to whatever is compatible with that foundation, and is left open by the epistemology it implies.

That means that in addition to the core goals listed above, the new paradigm must:

(a) complete the quantum revolution by resolving the Measurement Problem with a new metaphysical interpretation that finally makes sense of QM, and can therefore command a consensus.
(b) provide a solid foundation for a new science of consciousness, integrating a clarified concept of consciousness with empirical science and analytical philosophy.
(c) offer a conclusive resolution to the crisis in cosmology.
(d) enable a reconciliation of analytical and Continental philosophy: analytically adequate (no contradictions or conflicts with evidence), while also doing justice to subjective experience (which is what Continental philosophy does best, and science can’t do at all).
(e) provide a basis for cultural renewal across Western society.

And it must be one basic answer, not an ad-hoc mosaic of different ideas: a single, elegant, parsimonious, holistic theory, necessarily including metaphysical, cosmological, and human components, that cleanly and efficiently delivers all of these things.

This is a very tall order indeed. No ordinary theory can do this, and the probability of two such theories emerging as rivals is close to zero. There cannot be two new metaphysical-scientific paradigms capable of resolving all these problems together, for the same reason that there cannot be two solutions to a jigsaw puzzle (unless the puzzle was very carefully designed to have two solutions, which would in this case imply the existence of a designer God who intends to mislead us).

Is 2R looking for such a theory?

Of course not – this is just about the last thing 2R is looking for, because 2R is built on an implicit assumption that we are nowhere near finding the new paradigm, and there’s no point in actively looking for it. The hope is that it will somehow just “out itself” at some point in the distant future, which assumes there is no motive for anybody to suppress it. However, it is entirely predictable what would happen if such a theory were to actually be presented to 2R, because it would necessarily be incompatible with most of the items on the current menu, and therefore violate the radical epistemic pluralism that holds 2R together. Accepting it would require many individuals to acknowledge the reasons why their own current belief systems can’t sustain the paradigm shift, and require 2R as a whole to start moving towards a very different epistemological situation: an actual new paradigm. It would demand 2R finally move on from postmodern relativism and start behaving like Stormian metamodernists instead. Judging by my experiences on this forum and elsewhere, this is functionally equivalent of asking scientific materialists to admit physicalism is wrong: nearly all of them will just say no, because they have no intention whatsoever of rethinking their own beliefs. Everybody assumes that their own current worldview isn’t part of the problem, and there is a collective agreement to retain this internal incoherence.

So 2R’s response to any genuine contender for the new paradigm is almost certain to be:

(a) ignore it, and hope it goes away.
(b) ban anybody who keeps talking about it after being asked nicely to shut up.
(c) show no interest in it, make no effort to understand it, raise weak or invalid objections to justify not engaging with it, and mis-categorise it as just another inadequate item on the menu, so it can be permanently ignored, the full menu retained, and Postmodern Business As Usual can continue in the Big Tent.

Second Renaissance was set up for reasons that could not be more important: to blaze a trail out of the Meaning Crisis, Polycrisis, and Metacrisis, avoid civilisational collapse, and lay foundations for a better kind of Western civilisation. 2R attempts to offer leadership in the paradigm shift to come. But the current strategy is doomed to fail, because it is systematically committed to retaining the very thing that defines the old paradigm: the perpetual absence of a coherent, holistic theory of reality which is correct and complete at the foundational level. 2R is searching for the new paradigm inside one part of the old one.

The Big Tent Paradox

There is a fundamental contradiction at the core of everything 2R is trying to be and do. The “Big Tent” – where everyone can come together to search for the way out of an extreme civilisational crisis, but without any individual or collective obligation to search for objective truth – makes it logically impossible for 2R to succeed. The tent can provide a permanent home for almost any worldview except a genuine candidate for the new paradigm 2R claims to be searching for. It can tolerate every wrong or incomplete answer indefinitely, but a correct and complete (at the foundational level) answer means that 2R must accept that the tent itself is unsustainable in its current form, because the movement has to actually start moving.

If Second Renaissance is truly a vehicle for civilisational renewal, and not just a permanent hospice for the postmodern mind, the Big Tent Paradox must be overcome. This requires a a collective commitment to move beyond “finding better ways to disagree” and finally accept the need for conclusive movement towards agreement on what is true, and what isn’t.

Step 1: Is the Old Paradigm accurately defined as Epistemic Anarchy (The Age of Disjunction)? If you disagree, what is your coherent definition of the old paradigm that accounts for the current fragmentation of science, philosophy, and meaning?

Step 2: Are criteria (a) through (e) the correct baseline for a New Paradigm? If a new paradigm does not need to reconcile QM, consciousness, cosmology, and the split between analytical and continental thought, then what are your objective criteria for a worldview capable of ending the Meaning Crisis?

Yes.

And I think metamodernism is well-motivated, even if it is a bit late and a bit reluctant. The problem is that hasn’t yet crystallised into a coherent new movement. The reasons why are explained in the long post above, directed at Second Rennaissance.. They say they want to move on from postmodernism, but they subconsciously treat this as “somewhere over the rainbow”.

Thanks for the link to the forum. I joined and found a thread dealing with just you. This is a tangent. One of the people there said that your communication included getting personal with people, mindreading, judging them collectively. He seemed like a fairly rational person and didn’t seem to want to close the door on your permanently and even seemed to want to negotiate a short term return.

Is it possible that part of the issue is how you communicated? - or did he just make all that up? Or must it only be resistance to ideas they need and intellectual stagnation?

I don’t think postmodernism is a paradigm. And there are a lot of postmodernisms. We have tools and processes and attitudes with Wittgensteinian family relations. And metamodernism seems to also be related but different batches of suggestions. I’m not saying they are random batches, but I am not sure there is a paradigm in there. Some overriding theory/model in ontology or science or sociology, let alone with ands instead of ors. I’m not sure, but that’s a first reaction. This resonates with the following…

That is how it looks to them. From their point of view, I am breaking their social code, which is a serious problem. I am claiming truth. Had I just been offering yet another item on the postmodern menu then there would have been no problem, but the position I defend is incompatible with that stance. So my position itself forced me to break their social rules, and yet at the same time it is very obvious indeed that I’m deeply motivated to bring about exactly the same paradigm shift they claim to be looking for. That is why they can’t just ban me (also, I didn’t actually break any of their rules).

I’m making a serious accusation there: that for all their good motives, they are actually trying to dress the old paradigm up in new clothes and claim it is the new one. There is no easy way to deliver that message, regardless of how you communicate. But the situation is complicated from both their perspective and mine, because deep down they know I am right, and they know that I know that they know. They’ve performed enough AI analysis on it to know that my two-phase model really does do what I claim it does, and therefore it is a serious candidate for an actual new paradigm which matches their own stated goals. They have basically accepted this is true, but they still can’t do anything with this knowledge. They cannot commit to anything at all – not just what I am proposing, but any of their own proposals too. On top of that, during my first 6 month suspension that forum nearly died of boredom and inactivity, and when I came back the engagement statistics went through the roof. They want to generate interesting cutting edge discussion, and that’s exactly what I do. But at the same time they find this deeply uncomfortable, because it is totally alien to their normal way of thinking and interacting with each other.

The reason it is difficult is that we’re dealing with the conclusive end of postmodernism. If they were to officially accept my New Epistemic Deal then that is equivalent to a final, conclusive and irreversible movement from postmodernism to metamodernism, and they can’t do it. They do not know how.

Robert Bunge – who is basically second in charge after the elusive Rufus Pollock, even started 8 separate threads to discuss the 8 principles of the NED, and Rufus Pollock suspended me for “posting too much after he’d asked me nicely by PM to post less”, before Robert had got to the end. So I couldn’t post in threads started by his own deputy to discuss my own proposal.

Postmodernism is an anti-paradigm, but it is also a component part of the wider “age of disjunction”. Physicalism isn’t a paradigm either – it is 30 different mini-paradigms. This is involuntary epistemic anarchy, but the effect is very similar to the intentional epistemic anarchy of postmodernism.

And metamodernism seems to also be related but different batches of suggestions. I’m not saying they are random batches, but I am not sure there is a paradigm in there. Some overriding theory/model in ontology or science or sociology, let alone with ands instead of ors. I’m not sure, but that’s a first reaction. This resonates with the following…

None of them have come up with anything that can serve as a new paradigm yet. Storm has come closest, but is still just pointing the way out of postmodernism. As things stand, metamodernism is more like the acknowledgement that some new paradigm is needed, and that it needs to be substantial, because the current situation is intolerable and unsustainable. But my interactions with them suggest to me that none of them think of this new paradigm as a systematic metaphysical-cosmological synthesis. They seem to think the new paradigm is just “finding better ways to disagree”, but that’s not going to be enough.

@Geoff

In my opinion post modernism is destroying itself because nothing it was based upon was very real to begin with.

Trying to merge and condition human beings with mechanics or digital algorithms misses the mark already. The whole man and woman merging with the machine.

Post modernism mixed with technocratic transhumanism seeks to master over human nature making it into an easily predictable completely controlled biological entity but their aims makes it feel like living within a controlled laboratory setting where the mental spirit of rebellion will still persist.

:clown_face:

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Nothing it was based on was real at all. That was sort of the whole point, and it was always paradoxical. “Nothing is true” is a truth claim itself - a self-refuting one.

That doesn’t mean to say it was all entirely worthless, but any positive uses it once had appear to have expired. It has nothing new left to offer anybody.

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@Geoff

Philosophical nihilism often enough is very self defeating. Something overlooked in the constructs of post-modernism itself.

:clown_face:

Physical is not longer a remotely stable term in science so that’s not surprising. But those 30 are likely paradigms.

It seems like you are use paradigm like other people might use TOE. I don’t know if everything shifts and once and in lockstep or even needs to. Kuhn had it as fitting one discipline. Must all of those areas shift at once and fit with each other? I mean, it would be great in some ways, if the new TOE was not pernicious in some way, but this seems a rare thing or something that doesn’t happen. Paradigms in science seem to come from anomalies accumulating and the need for new explanatory models. But in culture it seems to seep out of synchronous parallel shifts by influencial people. Their ideas spread and trickle down to non-theory builders. And since this can be a collection of attitudes/styles, they don’t need to be hinged to empirical research.

Going back to some earlier points. I don’t know if this undermines your argument or not but there are jigsaw puzzles with multiple solutions. The Ji Ga Zo Puzzle.

That’s like a small point. Currently we have a lot of paradigms running. Postmodernism may have tried to eliminate grand narratives, but it did not. It may undermine or try to objective morals, but all sorts of objective value/moral systems are running out there. And that’s just in ‘The West’.

I can’t see a process where a TOE spreads over all the various areas your TOE covers. There are such different processes for paradigms to take over and gain some dominance in certain subcultures. But perhaps you have a multipronged approach.

You posted a few times related to plants and your position that thinking they have consciousness is wrong. Then you posted:

I give up. Humans are too stupid to even deserve any “Second Rennaissance”. We don’t deserve to survive what is coming.

I don’t know what their social rules are, but moderated forums, that’s off. It doesn’t add substance and it’s the type of thing that degenerates debate and discussion into something else. It’s another forum and it’s not the topic of this thread, though you have said a lot of things about that forum. But even if you are right to go against their social patterns there, it seems like a bad idea in terms of getting your ideas to spread. Here you can easily get away with that kind of thing, but there aren’t many readers who will want to go into such long texts, nor many who will have the breadth of knowledge of head into a interesting conversation on the topic.

Unlike most paradigm shifts, which are within one discipline, you say we must accept your paradigm which I would call more of a TOE. So despite the fact that paradigms shift in different areas of life, science vs. culture, say, you want a full on shift across many categories. Gaining momentum there might take a bit more diplomacy. Usually anomalies that collect lead to paradigmatic shifts in science. In culture usually a number of separate individuals arrive at similar enough positions to gather enough momentum for it to spread and then trickle down.

At the moment, even just in the West Postmodernism doesn’t really hold sway. Grand narratives abound, as do religions, and alternative religions are cropping up. Realism is alive and well in most people and even many academics. Postmodernism led to consequences, but it didn’t really take over in the West, it entered the stream.

Materialism and physicalism, well those terms no longer mean anything. Whatever is considered real is considered material or physical, regardless of the qualities and character of the whatever they decided is real. But at the level of the street they are doing fine, just as Newton is.

If 2PC is correct then yes, in this case, everything needs to shift at once. I am explicitly arguing that the hard problem of consciousness, the quantum measurement problem and the crisis in cosmology are deeply inter-related, and that none of them can be solved without solving all of them. And yes, this does not happen very often. If true, it is the most important paradigm shift since QM, and maybe since the Enlightenment itself.

Going back to some earlier points. I don’t know if this undermines your argument or not but there are jigsaw puzzles with multiple solutions. The Ji Ga Zo Puzzle.

But that was designed to have two solutions.

If 2PC is correct then sooner or later the world will catch up. Possibly that will not happen until cosmology hits some kind of mathematical wall though. I do not know how it is going to happen. All I can do is explain the theory to anybody I can, and hope that sooner or later somebody in a position of power and influence both understands it and is willing to tell other people about it.

That is called “exasperation”.

That forum has a very specific stated goal though. They claim to be searching for a major cultural paradigm shift. They openly invite long, detailed posts.

No. I am not telling anybody they “must accept” anything. That sounds like I am just demanding people take my word for something, and that isn’t what I am doing. The theory must stand up for itself, not be forced upon people. It must be accepted because it is correct (if it is correct), not because I say so. But this is exactly where the tension there lies: nobody is seriously arguing that 2PC isn’t correct. Most of the major contributors have, after a lot of talking, actually accepted that 2PC might well be correct – that it is a serious contender for an actual paradigm shift on the scale it appears to be. The tension comes because this isn’t enough to change the way they operate, because they aren’t even looking for a theory like this. They understand this is potentially a major problem for them, but they cannot do anything about it. They are collectively paralysed by their own epistemic pluralism. And again…they aren’t really denying this, because it is so obviously true. They already have meetings to discuss why they are making so little progress, but it never results in any actual progress. They are acutely aware of this paralysis. If this wasn’t true – if I believed they just don’t understand what I am saying – then I wouldn’t have wasted so much time and effort talking to them.

In a nutshell, they have assumed that the “new paradigm” they seek can be found by integrating people at the expense of integrating knowledge. Nobody there expected anybody to turn up with an actual theoretical new paradigm which does all the things they want it to do, because they come from an intellectual tradition which has always said that is either (a) impossible or (b) authoritarian and oppressive. And yet they also claim to have acknowledged that this tradition itself has run out of road. This leads to a deeply paradoxical situation, and they know this. I am repeatedly pointing this out to them, and this results in a deeply uncomfortable situation. This goes against their “everybody should feel safe here” mentality. The sorts of things we are discussing now aren’t “safe”. They challenge people’s worldviews. But in analytical philosophy and science this is perfectly normal. If you have to admit you are wrong about something then so be it. In their world “everybody is right”.

And if anybody would like to see another group claiming to be attacking the same set of problems – another group of “metamodernists” looking for a new theory then go here:

Institute of Applied Metatheory - Institute of Applied Metatheory

We’re an applied philosophy network formed from the belief that the world’s largest problems and most difficult questions are not considered with the Big Picture complexity needed to see their transformational potential.

Integration: Developing Frameworks for Analysis and Integration of Knowledge

Our mission is to provide a global forum for the articulation, development, and application of rigorous thinking that undergirds a big-picture integrative worldview capable of weaving together diverse epistemologies and value systems into more integrative forms of understanding and practice.

They have a facebook page I post on quite a lot (but very few other people do). In this case 2PC is largely just being ignored, although I did run into one computational neuroscientist who was (and maybe still is) very interested in it. Facebook