modern day hitler?

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You’re posts adds little to this discussion, Carmello. And you’re opinion is much more shallow as the others.

I also find it hard to compare Bush to Hitler. But there both ‘crusaders’, waging war against an enemy, for power, wealth and land. I suppose they both are and were thinking they are doing the right thing, otherwise they did something different. Both have there personal, political and maybe idealistic motivations. And as astonishing how Hitler could have done his deeds, as astonishing is how this Bush character could have gained his power. They’re both a malignancy of humankind.

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That was never stated in this argument, sorry. Maybe you were referring to this argument and comparison:

If you were, please tell me how it is stupid. If you were, indeed, refering to the lame comparison that you made, tell me where that is found throughout this whole argument, I sure as hell don’t see it.

~After Death~

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-Hitler was power hungry.
-Bush is power hungry.
(Im power hungry)
-Hitler wanted more land and money.
-Bush wants more land and money.
(I wont more money and land)
-Hitler disowned and treated the Jews bad in the beginning.
-Bush is doing the same to the Arabs.
(Im doing the same to an old friend)
-Hitler was the leader of Germany and used propoganda to get the Aryans on his side.
-Bush is the leader of the USA and is using propoganda against the Arabs.
(Im doing the same behind my friends back)

Couldnt you fit just about anyone in those catagories?

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Yeah that’s right! My ex-girlfriend’s a modern Hitler too!

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An you’re english is very adaptable. This thread is a joke; I’d be embarrased to actually spend time arguing you wrong. Like I said, get yourself a textbook and see who Hitler really was. You’ll feel ashamed comparing the two.

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I thought coming to a website labeled ilovephilosophy would encourage intelligent batner

But Bush is Hitler, War for Oil, blah blah blah

you people are being hornswaggled. blinded into beleiving the enemy is not the enemy and our freinds ore not our freinds

does Bush want all jews pushed into the Mediteranean because they are jews?

did Bush blow up Spain the other day?

Did bush call on terrorists to kill themselves in the proscess of flying planes into unsuspecting innocents?

Does Saddam support killing people based on their religion?

Did he threaten a fate worse than 9-11? Doe he support terror regimes who kill infidels?

sounds to me like you got the wrong Hitler

and we have plenty of oil, we just got tired of France and Russia stealing the food for oil money, and using it to give Saddam weapons

i mean because Bush is an Oil man, we shouldnt fight in an area rich with oil? we went into afganistan for what sand? bush is a big sand guy i hear

does that make sense?

I am just sick and tired of people finding every which way to blame eerything on G W Bush,

first of all you are actually gining him a free pass because no one will ever buy into this absurdity

you people have been sold a bill of goods and will beleive anything that supports your ridiculous stance

Bush = Hitler, buy a book, ever read Mein Kempf?

know your enemy, bush is not your enemy

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Hi,

now I am not someone who would go as far as to say Bush = Hitler, but there are comparisons that are difficult to ignore. It has a lot to do with a similar use of power which is shown very pictorialy here:
http://www.mvp-seattle.org/pages/pageFascism.htm

It is the comparison of occurences in history that makes people think - an intelligent Article beginning: “My family was one of Hitler’s victims. We lost a lot under the Nazi occupation …” can be found here:
http://truthout.org/docs_04/010904A.shtml

Shalom
Bob

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I dislike Bush/Hitler comparisons for the same reasons I dislike most of pop cultures use of Hitler imagery, Hitler’s actions were so far beyond anything else their always weak comparisons that devalue logical arguments to the same ends.

Adolf Hitler was a man who was intent on creating an Aryan Race. He was so bent on this idea, that he was willing, and trying to eliminate an entire nation, race of people. If they didn’t fit into his mold, they were useless and should be eradicated. And any opposition was met with death.

Now, there are all kinds of arguements of whether Bush was right or wrong. Whether he has a secret agenda or not. I’m not delving into that.

I have not seen, nor have I heard of the US intentionally going in as a mandate to go and wipe out all of the men women and children of Iraq, or any other Muslim country, or any other country that doesn’t fit his ideology. Is he wanting to impose his idea of democracy? Argue that as much as you want.

But I think this is a very important point here about Hitler that hasn’t been said, that is a major difference IMO.

My concern, is that everytime a person in power, is compared to Hitler, because of what their policies or actions are, it may lessen the atrocity in our society as to the extent of what Hitler did. The Khamir Rouge, Tutsi massacres in Africa, Milosevic in Yugoslavia, all these actions cannot be accepted. (Yet they still happen and the world always seems very slow to want to intervene) But, these were on a smaller local scale. None-the-less horrendous

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Hitlers goals were underestimated, he was sponsored by people who thought they could use him, he spoke his mind about a very common prejudice, and he had a country full of followers who were extremely meticulous. But the only thing that was impressive about him was the ability to use his voice to control crowds.

Just as you would play down the people surrounding Hitler and say that Hitler was a special case, I would say that it wasn’t Hitler alone but the people around him who did the damage. The same is to be said about many dictators. We must be wary of any constellation of political power that could be moved in that direction.

My concern is that Hitler is regarded as the instigator of a unique and horrendous crime to mankind - in particular to Jews - and we forget that there have been huge and comparable massacres of human beings in our time. That means that Hitler wasn’t unique and the danger remains very real and contemporary.

Remain aware and critical of anyone who smirks at you whilst taking the money out of your pocket and sending your children to war!!

Shalom
Bob

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To my surprise… there still are some intelligent people around. Good for you, ben.

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I agree…although the “taking money” part shouldn’t be particularly alarming to someone living in Germany. :wink:

While I share your concerns related to Iraq, I also see that history is replete with idealistic leaders who selectively interpret intelligence, start stupid wars and impinge on civil liberties. Hitler distinguished himself through his program of genocide and mass murder, so this should be the only grounds for a comparison.

Patriot-act-type policies and unilateral military action have been practiced by many governments around the world. Doesn’t make it right, but it doesn’t make it Hitler either. A comparison between Hitler and Bush is unfounded at best, and really, it serves no purpose. I for one am set on convincing people that Bush’s agenda is bad for America and bad for the world. Nasty, polarizing comparisons do little to serve that end.

I looked at the links you posted above, Bob, and I must say I found them a bit propagandistic. Especially the “12 signs of fascism” one. The reason why I would classify that as propaganda is that it does not demonstrate any logical connection between the pictures and the descriptions. While some of the descriptions of fascism are self-evidently true of the Bush administration, some have no connection whatsoever. This site makes no distinction between the two types of facts and therefore encourages sensationalism rather than critical thinking. This type of thing can only harm and isolate the left–especially in America.

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I completely agree with Ben and just about everyone else who’s argued that this is a pointless debate. George Bush has a lot to answer for, 10,000+ innocent iraqi deaths, potentially 50,000+ deaths in Afghanistan, and we’re talking innocent civilians, not ‘al qaeeda’ or the Taliban or Saddam Hussein. But no where on the scale of 6 million and causing a world war.
The thing that scares me the most right now in the US, is the media, and wat has already been said about propoganda is very true in the US, the thing is I can see it from both sides, I see the propoganda machine working over time in the US, and I see a similar machine working overtime in the Arab countries too, I suppose its up to us as educated individuals to try and find the medium. I implore you all though, not to be so easily swept up in this hype of anti-arab/anti-islamic sentiment sweeping the west, nothing is ever as black and white as its made out to be.

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SOWEGO: Afghanistan wasn’t for sand, it was for gas.

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this may sound sick but hitler was a fascinating man where as bush is a boring failure of a businessman

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Well, Hitler and Bush have very different motives.

Hitler killed out of whacky ideals.

Bush kills for money. Ie. He and Cheney are huge investors in companies making a fortune out of invading other places. The 8,000+ dead civilians are merely inconsequential by-products of a corporate venture to him.

I’m not sure which is worse.

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as far as the history books are concerned they are both shitty examples of humanity.

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I certainly don’t think Bush is at “Hitler level,” but how they both used propaganda to promote their political machine is uncanny.

The “terrorists” today for Bush are what the “Jews” were decades ago for Hitler. Hitler convinced many people that the Jews were the virus of the earth and many people believed him which is why his political machine was such a force.
Now today, Bush has the “terrorists” as a means to promote whatever political agenda he has pretty much arbitrarily. Weapons of mass destruction? Ah, a bunch of BS. We were so caught up in fear of the “terrorists” (much in the same way Hitler had people fearing the Jews) that he was given a free pass to do whatever he liked.

Now the atrocities Hitler did are horrendous and not comparable in that aspect. However, the way the terms “Jews” and “terrorists” were formed into a social mindset as being diseases are comparable. Especially when it is viewed that political force is being used arbitrarily to eliminate religious idealism. And yes, terrorism does many times have religious connotations depending on how arbitrary the definition of terrorism is today.

Bush may not be the same as Hitler, but he certainly isn’t a Mother Theresa. I certainly put Bush as one of the most aggressive political figures in the past century with Hitler on top.

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oi, fellahs, there’s a major difference;

Hitler was an intelligent power-crazy monstre
Bush is plain dumb and doesn’t have the ability to rule, he’s just a puppet on a string
oh, and one more… rather funny…

Hitler was elected democraticly, Bush wasn’t :unamused:

willem

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Wait… what?

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If “I hate Bush” is really that fashionable, why do the polls show Bush is still more popular than Kerry?
Is the american nation blind?