modern day hitler?

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phrygianslave the fool,

there is no justifying so many of your one-liners. i’d like to assemble a collage of your bullshit oneliners and put it to you to stand behind them.

you only look in kinds, not degrees. there is a degree of difference between yelling at a bad driver on the road, and rape. and a degree of difference between a rape and killing lots of people.

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Monooq

You have no idea what I’m talking about, you are brain dead my friend.

Didn’t a Jew, Jesus Christ, tell you, 2000 years ago, to love your enemies?

That’s the difference between you and me. I love all humankind whereas you hate much of it.

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TUM

We’re all brothers and sisters on this earth. We all have the same genetic origins. We all belong to the same family.

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precisely. which is why being something like ‘anti semetic’ is wrong. not “indifferent” as you put it, but wrong.

but nevermind. i think the philosophy you have developed by way of this message board is fascinating. so fascinating, i’d like to look over your posts and put together a collage of your “insights”. i will call it “a collage of brilliance”… and it will help ‘brain dead’ people like me better understand you. do i have your permission?

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Monooq

My philosophy is Epictetean Stoicism.

Zeno, who, like other early Stoics, was of Semitic origin, began Stoicism.

If you are interested in ‘insights’ into the true nature of things human and divine then look to my sources not me.

I have nothing further to say to you until you have familiarised yourself with the basics of my philosophy. For, until then, I fear you will continue to completely misrepresent and twist my views. And I simply cannot be bothered to respond to such.

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Hey modern kid,
I think that if Bush is a modern day Hitler, he’s a wannabe modern day hitler. From what I have studied, read, seen, and heard about Hitler’s speeches…they are incredibly well organised, thought out, pronounced, and intelligently articulated…while Bush on the other hand is a babbling idiot who can barely string two sentences together. I also can’t help but shake the feeling that Bush just woke up prior to every speech he makes.

What’s your take?

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I must come to the rescue of Dad (phrygianslave the wise).

I think too that it shouldn’t concern us who was mistreated, since the important part of ‘Anti-semitism’ is the ‘Anti’ not the ‘semitism’. There have been so many forms of ethnic cleansing since Hitler (and before) that to claim that one kind is worse than the other is to disregard human suffering.

The concept of us all being brothers and sisters on a planet of diverse life forms should be the modern view. The witness of modern science alone shows us our affinity, let alone all of the ethical Systems of Religion and Philosophy.

In fact, it is really the proper way to deal with conflicts: Ask what moral values your ‘enemy’ ascribes to and argue with his own ethical system, rather than trying to force your own down his throat.

Shalom
Bob

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Dear Bob,

I just want to take this opportunity to say I very much appreciate your coming to my aid. Thank you!

It seems that one particular member or our community was, as it were, gratuitously playing the ‘holocaust agenda’ card.

I don’t know whether he was trying to wind me up but it was becoming somewhat tedious attempting to explain my position to someone who appears to have no interest whatsoever in trying to broaden his understanding of existence.

Stoic morals can, upon superficial examination, appear unacceptable to those who are entrenched in politico-cultural ideologies they themselves are afraid to question or else are prohibited from questioning.

Quite frankly, I don’t care what anybody calls me, there is no ad hominem as such in Stoicism: the abuser is one who actually only really abuses himself; and his ‘victim’ is only such if he chooses to get upset by being called names. But I did find it somewhat curious as well as irresponsible of the member in question when he chose to privately describe me as degenerate! One has merely to refer to the history books to note that Adolf Hitler himself described and attacked contemporary European art and artists, (many of the latter Jewish,) as ‘degenerate.’

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you are ridiculous.
you know who.

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Go stalk somebody else - you’re insane!

You know who.

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Oh me to because hitler did so many great things!
:sunglasses:

Its his opinion, you cant prove him wrong but he’s a kid, that means a year from now when he becomes more mature he will think to him self “wow i was that crazy, that different, etc”

Until then let his ego ring, when you hear people that crazy you don’t reply, you just shrug and whisper to your self “whatever”. Its like the homeless guy on a new York corner with a life size sign saying “Jesus is coming” while there is another homeless guy across the street with a sign “the end is near”

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INoNo

Thanks!

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I think the only thing for Bush to do in order for him to even compare to Hitler is for him to give some good speeches.

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Nice… lol. I haven’t been around here for a while… So would anybody like me to quote and retort each and every post in here? Or what?

~Adam.

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Is this all I gotta do to have a successful thread? Base it on a completely ignorant accusation?

:laughing: :sunglasses:

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It’s “fashionable” these days because he is doing a lot of harm to our country and to the world. It’s popular to want Bush out of office because he needs to GET OUT OF OFFICE. What blows my mind is that about half of this country still supports him. Let’s just start from the beginning - his election.

  1. The election was very, very close. There was a swing state that was to decide its fate. The governor of this swing state, Florida, is the BROTHER of George W. Bush. Bush lost by a tiny margin. A recount was called. You remember… hardy har har Floridians are stupid. Yeah. Sure. Somehow, after all of that recount insanity, Bush wins. And we all believed him.

  2. I think there is already more evidence than my little fingers could possibly type up on how Bush’s claim that there was a link between Iraq and al Qaeda was found to be completely and utterly false. As an example, a recent lie by his right-hand man Cheney:

Dick Cheney has said that there was a “relationship” between Saddam Hussein’s regime and al Qaeda, even though the 9/11 commission says it found no evidence of a “collaborative relationship.” And he has maintained that he “probably” knows more about this dicey subject than the panel. He has, of course, produced no evidence to back up his contentions.

In his “In the Loop” column, Washington Post reporter Al Kamen supplies evidence related to Cheney’s trustworthiness concerning his claims about Iraq and al Qaeda. As the column points out, last week on CNBC, the following exchange occurred between Cheney and host Gloria Borger:

Borger: Well, let’s get to Mohamed Atta for a minute because you mentioned him as well. You have said in the past that it was, quote, “pretty well confirmed.”
Cheney: No, I never said that.
Borger: OK.
Cheney: I never said that.
Borger: I think that is…
Cheney: Absolutely not. What I said was the Czech intelligence service reported after 9/11 that Atta had been in Prague on April 9 of 2001, where he allegedly met with an Iraqi intelligence official. We have never been able to confirm that nor have we been able to knock it down.

But on December 9, 2001. Cheney told NBC News’ Tim Russert this:

Cheney: Well, what we now have that’s developed since you and I last talked, Tim, of course, was that report that–it’s been pretty well confirmed that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack. Now, what the purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we simply don’t know at this point, but that’s clearly an avenue that we want to pursue.

Pretty well confirmed–yes, Cheney said it, despite his “absolutely not” denial.

  1. Again, there is more than enough evidence that Bush’s allegation that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction is ALSO false. Here are some examples:
    -The administration claimed they had satellite photographs that showed new research buildings at Iraqi nuclear sites. However, when the U.N. went into the new buildings they found “nothing”.
    -The administration asserted that specific presidential palaces were places the inspectors would find incriminating evidence. Again, they found “nothing”.
    -It was reported that an al Qaeda informant claimed that terrorists had found a way of smuggling radioactive material through airports without being detected. Unfortunately, the “informant” then failed a polygraph test.
    '‘This piece of that puzzle turns out to be fabricated and therefore the reason for a lot of the alarm, particularly in Washington this week, has been dissipated after they found out that this information was not true,’ Vince Cannistraro, former CIA counter-terrorism chief, told the news network."
  • Rupert Murdoch helped the Administration by spreading this lie:
    “Saddam Hussein’s senior bodyguard has fled with details of Iraq’s secret arsenal. His revelations have supported US President George W. Bush’s claim [that] there is enough evidence from UN inspectors to justify going to war. [The bodyguard] has provided Israeli intelligence with a list of sites that the inspectors have not visited.”
    They include:
    ~ An underground chemical weapons facility at the southern end of the Jadray Peninsula in Baghdad.
    ~ A SCUD assembly area near Ramadi. The missiles come from North Korea.
    ~ Two underground bunkers in Iraq’s Western Desert. These contain biological weapons.
    And…
    “William Tierney, a former UN weapons inspector who has continued to gather information on Saddam’s arsenal, said Mahmoud’s information is ‘the smoking gun’.”

Needless to say, all of these have proven to be 100% false.

  1. But okay, so he lied his way to the office and he lied us into war, but at least he cuts our taxes, right? (This is, of course, directed to those in this forum who actually think cutting taxes is a good idea and that they or their parents actually benefit from it):

“The vast majority of my [proposed] tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum.” 42.6 percent of Bush’s $1.6 trillion tax package actually ends up in the pockets of the top 1 percent of earners. The lowest 60 percent net 12.6 percent. To deal with the criticism that his plan was a boon for millionaires, Bush devised an imaginary friend–a mythical single waitress who was supporting two children on an income of $22,000, and he talked about her often. He said he wanted to remove the tax-code barriers that kept this waitress from reaching the middle class, and he insisted that if his tax cuts were passed, “she will pay no income taxes at all.” But when Time asked the accounting firm of Deloitte & Touche to analyze precisely how Bush’s waitress-mom would be affected by his tax package, the firm reported that she would not see any benefit because she already had no income-tax liability.

Forget comparing him to Hitler. Let’s just talk about his effect in his own right. Bush has DRAMATICALLY changed the U.S. and the world. He has turned us into an occupying power and has pushed through tax cuts that will profoundly reshape the US budget for years to come, most likely insuring a long stretch of deficits that will make it difficult, perhaps impossible, for the federal government to fund existing programs or contemplate new ones.

There’s nothing good about this President. My favorite lately is his claim that “W” stands for women. Is he insane? DUBYA STANDS FOR WOMEN?!?

  1. He had his crew DELETE information about women’s issues from government web pages.
  2. He is doing everything in his power to remove a woman’s (or even her doctor’s) right to choose an abortion. Instead, he advocates “abstinence”. First of all, the conservative party believes in the government not meddling in our rights, correct? But now he wants policy to dictate whether women have SEX? Is he insane? AND he expanded the global gag rule.
  3. He outright claimed that discrimination against women wasn’t as important as racial/ethnic discrimination. Now I am part of an ethnic minority, and I am a woman. And this claim, especially from a global perspective, is disgusting. But, W stands for Women!

Ugh, I can go on and on. This man is a disaster.

There is only one reason to love Bush. If you are a millionaire, he is on your side. I doubt anyone on this forum is a millionaire.

There is absolutely no other reason to support him. And I really invite anyone on this forum to contest that.

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Comparing President Bush to Hitler is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. He is the exact opposite. Bush is a good leader and a good man. All you Bush haters need to stop. Bush knows things about being a good person. The reason you don’t like him is that you have no morals and he does. Bush is not power hungery, he just wants to help a nation that has been oppressed. Bush=Good.

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Bush has two legs.
Hitler had two legs.
That’s a true but trite comparison.

Bush is a mass murderer.
Hitler was a mass murderer.
True again, but is it trite?

Michael

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As much as i dislike the misguided actions of my President, i have to say that this comparison is not valid. The whole World has not united to attack the United States as they did in response to Hitler. Even though some of the methodologies used by both of these tyrants are identical I believe that history will condemn Hitler more than Bush and I have seen little hard factual evidence from the opposition to support their claim. Even the claims that are true (e.g. Molelove said

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bear little relation to the comparison.

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Who exactly has Bush murdered? Yes, innocent people have died in the war. It is sad when people die, but lives will be lost in war. This war is needed for evil to be defeated. America is helping the Iraqi’s and the world be more free and safe. Lives are not lost in vain.