Money in the System ?

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Money in the System ?

So economic activities concentrates itself on what can give profits, and for example the basics, real necessities are really where you can squeeze profit out of activity, so that explains the real estate bubbles (people need houses), health care bubble (people need health care), etc. But can that work forever ? all money and activities only on 2 things or similar ? No money left for anything else, no other activities left ? So this is one big contradiction present in the modern global economy, they don’t hire because they can’t make more cash out of your labor. What to do ? In the meanwhile they have 400 million free salaries available, so, maybe just for the fun of it, from boredome, just for fun and games, maybe 20 million jobs will be created, invented, set up by the rich and their “corporations”, banks, whatever and some of the free money will go to workers. How much of that work is really or will really be needed ? I say, very little, but let’s say 2 million real productive jobs are needed (South Korean, Indian, Chinese engineers or students studying hard to be “productive”, hired for productive work (don’t ask me what work, I can’t phantom any, but that is just me)), so 18 million jobs will be given out as free salaries one way or another, hidden, make believe, you name it. So the rich still hang on to 380 million free salaries, so now what ?

Most economy - activities today is like playing cards, you win and lose according to some abstract rules, not because of some necessities, and this is the problem. So I phantom, that there won’t be many jobs or improvement in much of anything no matter what, some here and there, but there is a real structural limit to the myth of growth and a lot of other myths like the startup inventing new things (I phantom 99 % of real innovations are now achieved, what is left is breadcrumbs), other myths, etc.

Another demonstration that GDP is a false number, GDP growth is simply a made up number, if you have 100 million workers in the USA making 30,000 dollars a year, that makes 3 trillion dollars, but the GDP is assigned as 10 trillion, so what gives ? Where did the other 7 trillion come from ? Inflated real estate ? make believe money that isn’t in the system ? excess capacity money generated by the system automatically ? FED printing money ? future debts ? who knows…

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Functions are Religious ?

Like when an event of the past happens, any event or experience or story, whatever, and you assign a metaphysical - religious importance to something that is always nothing, just an action/reaction, cause and effect, just a function or sequence of functions, nothing more, but we always try to assign it importance meaning (way past what it is), a metaphysical religious meaning especially when it “hurts” another person or implies some kinds of pain/pleasure induced in others, or emotions in others (but all of this stuff happening in other people is always just imagined, not real, since the only thing that is real is the urgency of respone to immediate pain/pleasure/stimulations, all else is a symbol, denotation, indirection, a guess, an imagined abstract sequence of events and indirect pain/pleasure induced in others but since you can’t touch it isn’t real at all, hose it all, it is false and doesn’t exist), don’t buy into it it, ignore it, hose it, it is a ghost, a clown, nothing really exists, hose it all.

Functions become religious entities, how odd, they become sacred, metaphysical (when in all truth the only thing that is really sacred and metaphyscial is static, eternal, not moving, the exact opposite of functions, go figure), but they are just another false religion, as is everything, we are completely saturated and drowning in a never ending array of false religions.

But maybe it is all useless anyways, the law of conservation of problems just makes you exchange one problem with another, if you solve problem A, another will surely pop up no matter what, and if it doesn’t you will always invent a new problem, that turd of a mind brain you have is a Constant Problem Generating Machine anyways, so we always lose no matter what.

Note: in all my posts “we” doesn’t mean anything it could be me or you, but it is most likely IT.

BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST.

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Functions are defined only according to the intentionalty of use, the way a chunk of matter is used expires all of its existence, extension, being and substance. But this is only superimposed on the entity, it is not the totality of the entity, our mind makes an entity become a one bit symbol, it condenses all of Matter and Mass Energy into a one bit universe: like a car, it is outside waiting to be used for its only function, its entire design is based on function, but the truth is, it has an infinite number of functions, by changing the reference system in our mind, the universe, it can be used for an infinite number of completely different functions, aside from the fact that the only real function it has is to exist, and obey the sacred laws of metaphysics : it exits as an Information Relationship (creating functions), but mostly as an Eternal, Static, Chunk of Mass Energy - Matter totally achieved and concluded. In fact we have to wait in time to use (but why “use”, change that thing, there are a infinite number of other things besides “using”) it the next time, it exist only when it is in use, but not for modifed minds.

We are pattern searching obsessives, so music is real science if only because the repetitive patterns it expresses are Science Achieved, Mathematics Achieved as that is what science and logic and language and thought and consciousness is all about, patterns, repeating patterns found, discovered, and expressed, repeating patterns found and assigned a religious, deep, metaphysical value that in all truth they don’t possess, but fool us into believing in them, but a painting is static, eternal, it operates in parallel, parallel information is closer to metaphysical, while time dependent sequences are closer to functions, mathematics, cause and effects.

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Functions manipulate monolithic slabs of extension and existence to express themselves, but by making the number of functions tend to infinity (as in mathematical analysis), you get a totally functionized world without any extension left, or you can get a total static extension, moving parts contrast static parts, invert the functions, invert the relationships, or assign the limit to two new disconnected entities, why on earth haven’t they started to use mathematical analysis and connections and interactions on concepts and words ? Insane, we have the square root of “For”, the multiplication of words, formulas connecting words in all kinds of ways, the integral of eternity, a word as a function of another word like space(car), and the words can be made up, the relationships never ending, go for it. We haven’t even begun. There is no goal, a pure metaphysical machine.

Should I go on ? It never ends, memory dependent on time, make the limit of time tend to zero, get infinite memory (limits in analysis are cool, they can be used in all kinds of philosophical environments), memory records static symbols, but they need moving parts, so create a memory of moving parts that exist through static symbols. It can go on forever because language, thought, concepts, words, denotations, symbols, delimitations can be and are never ending, anything can be connected to anything else, a meaning created, an interaction with the mind - sensations (if even slightly ? pain/pleasure/emotions ever so slightly, who knows ?), we connect the world, we format it according to what a dominating culture commands us and assigns us to do, so then maybe work and labor is infinite, we will have an infinite number of jobs, people will just move symbols on computers (what counts is the social aspect, the meanings and importance said symbols have as defined by the bosses, as money too is a symbol with some very slight effects on sensation and pain/pleasure (at least for now, in the future who knows, maybe to reinforce dead symbols, the pain/pleasure will be amplified by design).

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Nameta9, I believe I’ve read all of your posts in the Social Sciences forum. They’re often difficult to understand; but they usually are involved with the economy. That’s fine, we’re all concerned with the economy–but is it possible to stop ranting and start trying to come up with answers? None of us seems able to do so because none of us seems able to break out of our boxes–or maybe we just don’t understand what’s going on.

Our ‘box’ of economic thought was created over 200 yrs. ago by Adam Smith–the Father of Modern Economy–who’s Wealth of Nations was published in, I believe, 1776. It wasn’t much later that our Constitution was written and ratified by the 13 original ‘colonies,’ (with the first 10 amendments–the Bill of Rights) which could then call themselves independent States–free from British rule. I believe the ratification process was complete around 1789.

Since then, times have changed radically–so much so, that the Founders wouldn’t recognize the United States. The Constitution has come under attack with people calling for further changes–even a rewriting of the document. But the United States Constitution has not only a built in process for amending itself, it also established a Supreme Court which functions to decide whether or not a state Supreme Court has made a decision that upholds the Constitution–or not. It also is supposed to decide the same for any decision made by the Federal government. This function has only been used once.

What I’m getting at is, while the United States has the SCOTUS to determine the constitutionality of various laws, there’s no court that decides on the ‘fairness’ of Smith’s economic theories. In the meantime, times have changed and Smith’s theories may not longer be valid in the world today. They’ve certainly been twisted out of all recognition from the original. This has gone on for over 200 years, and now most of the world accepts what is called Smith’s theory of economics, but which world no longer has any real connection to that theory.

I think there will be change, but it’ll take time and it won’t be accomplished through the actions of one man–and it will be catastrophic because the end result WILL NOT BE what most of us are used to. It simply cannot be, because the theory doesn’t work any longer. Shouldn’t we use our good minds to break out of the economic theories of the past and try, instead, to conceptualize a future economy that distributes ‘wealth,’ not to nations, but to the people who make up those nations?

Every time I try to come up with possible change, I’m stopped by the realities of today’s economic situation and the smallness of my own mind in the face of those realities. If I say, “Hey, people, stop borrowing money,” I am as a voice crying in the wilderness–yet I think that’s a way to start. Another would be, “People, don’t support the big corps–withdraw all the money you’ve invested either directly or through your retirements plans, stick it under your mattress and see what the corps can do on their own.” A third would be “Government, stop giving money to corps through tax breaks and tax loopholes that leave them with no tax obligations.”

If you don’t realize what a huge laugh that would bring, you need to look to Greece.

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I said it a milllion times, the solution is Free Salaries, Cheap Rents and huge public private projects hiring millions for trillions of skyscrapers and Rockets to Mars. Use the money the FED prints, they print trillions and just hand it over to the rich for fun, go figure.

From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/man-down.html

Hey Alexandra and San Jose Mommy do you ph*ck a lot ? What’s up with that ? Why is that ? I don’t like that you do it at all, and that anyone else does it at all, they deserve to be killed, ok ? I don’t at all. Why am I an Impotent and Shrinking Violet and Pussy Whip ? So what’s up with that ? Why you more and me nothing ? Is that right ? Why did Matter do this to me ? So why do I have the urge to beat you and all similars up and kill and inflict pain ? What’s up with that ? Sluts and losers. Everyone is a slut and loser and sex failure, or is it only me ? Now what ? Why does a chunk of matter care what another chunk of matter does ? why does matter compare pieces of itself to itself, why does it pretend to be independent from other chunks of itself ? why did it create the illusion of being independent chunks of Matter and Mass Energy that reflect expriences that can only be imagined, but are just as real, do we beileve they are real ? and why did Matter create this indirection and denotation and symbol ? because I suck ? So it is my fault ? So kill yourselves, how I hope everyone kills themselves, how I hope they kill everything and the world and nuke everything. There I got you back, I win. Now what ?

On a sadder note, technology is a writing system, we don’t need to invent new words, we need to combine them differently and create new combinations that get people working for huge common goals like Rockets to Mars, technology has achieved 99 % of inventions and patents, there is no necessity to invent new things as we now have everything (so there goes down the toilet the startup myth), therefore we need to use the technology as a writing system to write new sentences, Rcokets to Mars, hiring millions to design and build new engines, and so forth, skyscrapers, etc.

All developments start out creating the reference system, the basics, the foundation, after we build on top of that, like the Internet created the foundation for us to write all this huge pile of crap, etc. So we have engine technology and skyscraper technology and now we must use it as a writing system to write a new combination of already achieved inventions. We start out with heavy materials, hard to move, energy costly and create lighter and lighter and then it becomes all fun and games, like the technology of Formula 1 cars, so it should be with all.

I was reading that a jet engine company is making a new engine and hiring 1,000 engineers (but they probably need only a few hundred in all truth), so if you build skyscraprs and Rockets you can hire millions and millions of workers.

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From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/man-down.html

Alexandra and San Jose Mommy phck. Why do they do this to me ? Bustin and the black guy with the french HOT gals phck or ph*cked why did they do this to me ? Why do they do this to me ? Why do they torture me ? Why do they punish me like this ? The more they enjoy the more I am punished and killed and tortured, why did the laws of physics want this ?

Why do they kill me ? Why am I raging with envy and hate and desire to inflict infinite pain ? Why did Matter or my brain beat me up ? Why does reality beat me up forever ? Why isn’t there infinite pain and hell for everything, every point in space and time, but just for me infinite pleasure and heaven ? Why does just 1 electron in difference in pain pleasure between me and anything else drive me to envy, hate and rage ? Now how are you going to fix that Mommy and Alexandra and the teenage girl who is HOT and doesn’t give me any ?

How can pleasure in 1 point in space - time be connected by an imaginary signal to generate infinite pain and rage and envy in another point in space - time ? How retarded is that ?

I forgot a whole lot of other things I wanted to say, but it is all around these insane ideas.

Hey Alexandra, it is not a cosmic mind, I’ll explain it real simple: take a brain, disconnect its sense organs and connect it to new electrical signals, and change the electrical schematic of the brain, make the signals do something new and go somewhere else, guess what ? you get a new universe, a new mind perceiving a new experience and universe, a new modified - mind universe perceived contraption, like the ones that fall (from the Sun that is a Supercomputer generating new modified minds) in the backyard of our suburban house in the USA, while me and little Betty and Ryan and Tommy and Robby all play with them, while Mommy cooks in the kitchen.

I just want to play in the backyard, while Mommy cooks, that is all I want, why do they kill me, torture me, beat me up with the queers, the sex, all those things I can’t have, why do they do this to me, why do they punish me ?

BEWARE OF THE BEAST, 666 AND SATAN IS OUT TO GET YOU, BEWARE, THERE ARE THE MARK OF BEAST ALL OVER THE PLACE

Jesus Speaks to Little Children.

Why did the Snake talk to Eve ?

I asked time for more time but time ran out of time. I asked space for more space but space ran out of space.

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From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/man-down.html

TURD

When you really get down to it, if you see that the value and worth of achieving and success and the reflection of it in feeling good, winning is all based on the judgment another person (even yourself, as yourself is always another person) has of you or what you do or did, on the simple event that consists of the judgment, a simple one bit information (that can be elaborated in all kinds of complex ways but in the end is reduced fundamentally to one bit) you realize how worthless it really is, how insane it really is ! You are dependent on the judgment of a turd, as a human is just a turd, is nothing at all, no matter what, no matter how hard a human tries to pretend and tries to make it up, and tries to invent all kinds of symbols, religions, all kinds of indirections that create value, that create spirituality, that create the simulation of something sacred, the Human, Man, the Mind, the Brain - Mind is a turd, is a piece of crap, is something worth negative infinity, as a rock is worth plus a trillion, an electron is worth plus 10 million (maybe, or maybe everything is essentially worth negative infinity, got to check out the math). So why all the effort, all the work, all the manipulations all of this for what ?!? for another mind that is a useless old clunker, piece of crap and turd that deserves to burn in infinite pain and hell forever ?

Totally insane, we are programmed completely wrong, we need to change the design and electrical connections of our mind brain real fast, we need to achieve the Instant Singularity, real fast.

Oh, little Cindy found this new one in the backyard:

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Wow, now what is that doing ? It is doing incredible things, it is disconnecting static and functions and splitting them up into time bubble elementary particles made up of numbers having colors, all kinds of converters of space to time to square roots of the plus sign, it never ends, incredible, the sacred and existence decomposed into the eternal, the static… formulas with concepts and words like eternal(existence)^^timespace+electron-limits(for(to(with(((three))))))+square root-integral, and on and on forever and ever. AMEN

BEWARE OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST

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From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/man-down.html

All of the inhibitions and interdictions in believing that when you change the circuits in a new mind brain you can enter a new universe, reality, experience and laws of physics is based on a religious faith in the objective reality of our present experience which is based on a pure faith in the external world, in the reference system, in the belief that space and time and distinct entities (particles, electrons) are real and objective and metaphysically and spiritually, logically, mathematically defined therefore real (but the very fact that 2 particles are separated in space is already an indirection and denotation, 2 items that don’t touch but must believe (and have faith and worship) that they are there only through the ghost that information is, same with all entities separated by time, but any entity is made up of extensions but that assumes that there are moving parts within it, so the essence of all is purely religious and denotational, symbols of symbols, all is a religion therefore fake and make believe, go figure, so just redefine it, hose it, kill it, you are the boss, show god who the boss is, just do it), and therefore worthy of our faith and religious belief structures and worship and assignment of them as sacred even because they fit in so perfectly and nicely with our memory, pain/pleasure circuits, our totalized functionization of reality based on our language and the subdivision of the world in distinct and same, static and moving (and functions move the static), etc.

But this is false, there is no external reality, there is nothing, no time and space, no other people (not even ourselves, I am not therefore I don’t exist), nothing at all except point like events and Information Relationships (that exist and immediately disappear in a moment and just this shows that they are fooling us into believing they are real when they are ghosts taking us for a ride, in fact they can’t last too long otherwise they risk becoming real and crashing the universe), we simply are saturated and drowning in false religions assigning deeper meanings to all and all patterns and all of the memory of our life and experience and pain/pleasure circuits than what they truly deserve.

So if you change the circuitry of the mind brain, you will enter a new universe, with new experiences and new rules and laws and they will be the real universe and the real reality (not the religious ghosts we presently live in), but certainty is a bitch, we will never know for sure and who cares what is real and fake ? Life is a bitch eat, drink and be merry and then you die.