I am curious, aspacia: what do you see happening in London on your regular visits to lead you to believe that it is turning into a Muslim city?
I work in London and let me assure you that the plastic god of consumerism is in no mood to allow rivals onto its turf.
Who owns Harrad’s?
"British and Nigerian Muslims are most alienated: Britain stands out as a paradoxical country. Non-Muslims there have strikingly more favorable views of Islam and Muslims than elsewhere in the West; for example, only 32% of the British sample view Muslims as violent, significantly less than their counterparts in France (41%), Germany (52%), or Spain (60%). In the Muhammad cartoon dispute, Britons showed more sympathy for the Muslim outlook than did other Europeans. More broadly, Britons blame Muslims less for the poor state of Western-Muslim relations.
But British Muslims return the favor with the most malign anti-Western attitudes found in Europe. Many more of them regard Westerners as violent, greedy, immoral, and arrogant than do their counterparts in France, Germany, and Spain. In addition, whether asked about their attitudes toward Jews, responsibility for September 11, or the place of women in Western societies, their views are notably more extreme.
The situation in Britain reflects the “Londonistan” phenomenon, whereby Britons preemptively cringe and Muslims respond to this weakness with aggression." (Pew Poll)
This is from Daniel Pipes, very right-wing biased historian, but I also read Chomsky:
danielpipes.org/blog/298
Mum was in a family of eight. All, but one married and they had 2 -8 children each. That is, I have many relatives there in many parts of the UK. Albeit, most are not in London. Plymouth, Sussex, Essex, etc. My recently deceased uncle lived in Surrey.
With regards,
aspacia 
Are you suggesting that the man who owns the most famous department store in the UK (if not the world) would welcome a fundament Islamic take-over!?
I would imagine that there are more Jewish people of influence in London than Muslims, but I don’t think for one minute I’m going to be forced into a circumcision anytime soon.
This is because we don’t reserve a special hatred for Muslims…we dislike all foreigners equally.
Maybe this has something to do with our Government’s support of the American war in Iraq, which the majority of the UK disagreed with.
I am far more likely to die at the hands of a white Anglo Saxon than a Muslim.
Mind you, too much tea and cake is likely to be my killer. Excess rules the day in this country, much like yours, and there is far too much money at stake to allow our consumerist lifestyle be usurped.
But, wait a minute,
Yikes! Thanks for pointing this out:
adnki.com/index_2Level.php?c … 1252&par=0
Oh no, the end is nigh…
Seriously, aspacia, stop reading the racist websites and rest assured that the Taliban are not coming to Westminster.
There is a huge Muslim influence in you land is what I am suggesting.
I would be interested in how much influence Jews have.
I did not write this, it is from the Pew Poll
How much does the UK receive in tourism, the billions.
The Pew Report, not aspacia. This is a valid poll.
LOL, I also receive British History and This Britain, and many did indeed favor this as they remember Hitler.
Pew report, not aspacia
Okay.
We said that too until 9/11. We were economically nailed big time.
I read all sides.
adnki.com/index_2Level.php?c … 1252&par=0
Wake-up Chamberlain.
Stick to the claims, and you are resorting to ad homs, and not addressing the claims. This is typical of a liberal. Pipe has solid credentials.
Remember, how everyone called Churchill a warmonger when he sounded the alarm regarding Hitler.
Delboy:
You might want to follow this link for insight:
ummah.com/forum/showthread.p … ost1159276
Oh. I’m not sure how you reach that conclusion by mentioning an Egyptian shopkeeper, but OK.
somethingjewish.co.uk/articl … n_brit.htm
By the way, Mohamed Al-Fayed owns Fulham FC and Roman Abramovich owns their richer and bigger neighbour, Chelsea FC (not particularly relevant, I know, but I thought I would throw it in anyway).
…but we like their money.
I’m sorry, aspacia, but Pipe is an Islamophobe. His interpretation and reporting of the Pew report is shameful:
danielpipes.org/article/3706
The following are all quotes from the same report which he chooses to ignore or attempts to apply a negative spin to:
Remember how we called those that thought the world would end in 1999 mad?
I followed it, but I’m not sure what I was supposed to find.
The world did not end, and Winnie was right regarding Hitler. Faulty analogy.
Again, Pipes is biased, but most humans suffer from cultural biases, and this included both me and you. Pipes did post the Pew Poll, but his summary/opinion did leave out the positive aspects.
Rember, that according to many Muslims they follow Allah’s law, not human law.
With regards,
aspacia
The title of the thread is: Re: Is England ready to be an Islamic state? If not how long until it does?
Whoa there!
You mention one rich Muslim and then make the claim:
So I give you a link which lists the top ten richest Jews in the UK and you reply with:
I’m sorry, but you’re losing me.
That wasn’t the impression you gave.
You mentioned ‘Londonstan’, which implies the Islamification of London, hence my Taliban reference.
If you only meant ‘home grown UK Muslim’ terrorists, don’t worry about it. The misery and inconvenience they cause is just another item in the catalogue of ‘misery and inconvenience’ that plagues our lives.
Besides, the Muslim youth give the armed police officers something to shoot at…
Do you honestly expect me to be concerned because of a dozen or so people posting on a forum?
There are plenty of disaffected, alienated, marginalised, disillusioned etc people out there. I’m sure I could find forums dedicated to the National Front, animal liberation groups, communism, radical religious groups and so on that, given the support, would like to see wholesale changes made to our society. However, significant support doesn’t exist.
A greater threat to my well-being probably comes from McDonalds or Glaxo/Smith/Kline (if it ever becomes McGlaxo/Smith/Kline we’re all in trouble!).
That was my point. His website is not very helpful.
You could be right, but can you explain why it is a ‘faulty analogy’?
Comparing a view regarding a person, to hysteria regarding an event. The Brits were not hysterical regarding Winnie’s claims.
With regards,
aspacia
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with this kind of talk in a public, political venue as opposed to philosophy. For one thing, you can’t expect a politician to define their system of ethics everytime they use the word. Firstly, there’s not enough time in the day, and secondly the vast majority of their audience wouldn’t understand/care what they mean.
Secondly, the ethical ideas that they appeal to are pretty easy to grasp. When a liberal says we ought never have started a pre-emptive war, the ethical position is easy to see. When a conservative says we had the power, and thus obligation to remove Saddam, it’s easy to understand the ethics behind that too.
Finally, the vast majority of people DO see this as an ethical issue, so their politicians can and probably should reflect that. Whichever side dropped their hand first and said “We feel this way for purely self-interested reasons” would lose the represenstation of the people- if, indeed, they really feel that way.
In most cases Aid fosters corruption.
The white man’s burden : why the West’s efforts to aid the rest have done so much ill and so little good
by William Russell Easterly