Iambiguous has a friend Mary, who has an abortion,
Why should you, or anybody, pay for her abortion?
Who’s Choice was it, hers, yours, or somebody else?
Why is it, in societies, that an upper class, self-proclaimed “Elite” are excused for their mistakes, but the average person, or the poor, are not?
Why should soldiers fight in wars waged by the rich?
Give me something to work with.
In a truly determined world…does Mary or any of us have a choice?
The question is…why is the collective morally obligated to pay for Mary’s bad judgment calls?
How will she learn, or grow, if she is continuously being protected from the negative consequence of her bad choices?
Does this not give her the impression that she can never err, or that she’s invincible?
Neo-Marxism = collectivization of responsibility.
We are all culpable for every individual’s bad judgments - parity. Doesn’t mater fi your smart or dumb…the consequences will be evenly distributed so that the lowest-common-denominator will begin to fall.
Moral Marxism.
Marxism returns to its Abrahamic foundations, leaving economics and the even distribution of resources, aside.
In a ‘Determined’ world, no, she does not have a choice, nor does anybody. All are deprived of choice.
Zoot, where are you? Is this not you?
But, that doesn’t stop the exploitation. It makes you think, doesn’t it…? How much of this programming is intentional?
How much indoctrination is planned, that, the peons and masses are made to believe one thing, but those that rule over them, another?
Do the rich and wealthy, the self-proclaimed rulers, have any pangs of guilt, for sending your sons and daughters into the barbed wire?
Will they hesitate to kill your children, send them to Ukraine, to fight their wars for them?
this implies that collectivism is a universal certainty - divinely willed.
They’ve been divinely sanctioned, chosen…they are on the “right side of history”.
It gives their ideology a touch of spirituality, which they can deny…plausible deniability.
In a modern, postmodern world, there is no duty to privilege.
In a no ethnicity world there is no collective other than an ideological one.
The Neo-Marxists are Post-Nietzschean and Postmodernists, and Transhumanists.
They believe it’s only about (political) power. That’s all that matters, Might makes Right.
If you are capable of ruling, then you dictate the morality. You “determine” other people’s choices.
That’s the ‘ideology’ Western Civilization seems to be headed.
It doesn’t matter who rules from above, the higher class or caste, when they dictate to the masses who lives and who dies.
Who goes to war, and who stays nice and comfortable.
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The Neo-Marxists are Post-Nietzschean and Postmodernists, and Transhumanists.
They believe it’s only about (political) power. That’s all that matters, Might makes Right.
If you are capable of ruling, then you dictate the morality. You “determine” other people’s choices.
K: if you are going to steal from Nietzsche, at least say so…
Kropotkin
Brilliant response, PK…
I want to hear more, go on. Maybe you can tell me how I’m “for peace” again?
Again: “…note where I ever made any mention at all of who pays for anyone’s abortion.”
That’s just a component of Mr. Fun’s ludicrous attempts to emulate your own inane posts here. He just pulls points like that out of thin air, apropos only of what he is actually able to convince himself is clever.
Apropos of nothing in other words.
But, as with you, he is excruciatingly witless. Even I am embarrassed for him imagining others here reading such juvenile tripe.
But at least with him this humiliation only unfolds during our festive holiday season. With you it will just go on and on.
Besides, as with most things, it depends on the context.
Again, you are simply too dense to grasp that the point of my argument is not to answer questions like this but to expose how the answers that individuals give are rooted existentially in dasein. That is far, far over your head, however, because as a fulminating fanatic objectivist it is virtually impossible for you to even imagine that your own answers aren’t the only ones that count.
Instead, I’m only interested in the extent to which this might be a “condition”. Hard wired into your brain genetically, perhaps, and therefore basically “beyond your control”.
You know, in the real deal free will world.
Why should anybody pay the costs of Mary’s abortion?
Answer it
you should pay for the abortion because it is a public good
I want taxes going into my pockets, not out of them. You can pay for it, if you want.
Public good = protect the individual to continue acting, judging, choosing, as she has, to create the same mistakes, requiring the same interventions…and to promote this as a social good so everyone imitates Mary and all become careless, carefree, naïve, idiots with no judgment, making bad choices.
Collapse follows.
How much negative consequences can a collective distribute before it is inundated?
What would the advantage of a good judgment, of a careful mind making reason based choices, be if in the end it would be obligated - for moral reasons, for ideological reasons - to also take-on the negative consequences of an increasing majority’s bad judgment calls?
In this thread, I want to get into the specifics.
It’s obvious that the ‘Elites’ of societies, cultures, and civilizations remove their own blame, and place it onto lower classes. In the United States, this appears more commonly and readily, how the reigning Politicians repeatedly and viciously lie to the public, but the public doesn’t seem to notice or care. And that you can lie to the masses, the peons, and they are impotent to respond or react. Instead, the lower classes take the abuse, repeatedly. And if the wealthy want to wage war, and sacrifice the lives of the poor, then the poor are made willing accomplices through propaganda.
The propaganda has become so sophisticated, that the weak and miserable are happy to take the Sins of the elites, upon their shoulders.
It’s like a mass brain-washing. Perhaps this is the net-effect of institutionalized Religion across the millenniums. The peons are made willing slaves, of those above them, who utilize them as they would a flock of sheep?
And that the Elite may continually pass their own mistakes onto those below, without worry from retaliation.
Most people would call this Injustice, Tyranny, Slavery, etc.
But the masses call it, their Determinism.
It’s about Demoralization.
Let’s assume there was a prideful and strong family that led a country. But they are beaten, taken apart, and their patriarchs humiliated. Beaten, tortured, raped, but not only one time, but for several generations. How much torture would they endure before breaking completely, and becoming subjugated to those who reign over them? How much pain inflicted before they abandon all hope, and will utterly destroyed?
But this is not one family, it is hundreds of thousands. It is millions of families, of the masses of humanity, who have little willpower today. Hopeless. Miserable. Uninspired. Willing Slaves to Autocrats. The masses are made to love their Slavery, and hate Freedom.
Sound like any posters and themes around ILP??? Is this not commonplace???
Zoot is one of the primary advocates for this depressive Demoralization, a broken man with no Freedom, who hates himself and contempt for anybody who proposes the possibility. He cannot be free, and so, he wants to deprive all others of freedom as well. And this causes a chain reaction among the plebs, the proletariat. They hate to see one-another try to rise up. It’s a matter of contempt, reminding each other individually, of their broken past. A history of slavery in their genes, hundreds of years, and thousands.
Their bloodlines were broken centuries ago.
It also reminds me of Silhouette, who argued for close to 100 pages on this forum, in defense of his Slavery, his “Determinism”.
Is it not Religious in nature? Is it not a signal of the past, of Abrahamic origins? That people broken and enthralled ages ago, are any different today, right now?
Is it easy to be/come “free”? Is it a mere matter of belief, or delusion? Can you fantasize your way out? Or, do you need to take risks? Do you need courage?
Is Free-Will heritable?
If yes, then to what degree?
Do some individuals have Greater souls than others?
Do some families? Do some bloodlines? Is their Will greater?
Free = independent. Degree of dependence - power.
Will = aggregate organic energies focused upon an object/objective - intent, choice.
Potentials are inherited. Environments cultivates them.
Nature/Nurture.
Genes/Memes.
Once again another post aimed at making iambiguous the subject.
I respond:
And all Urwrong is ever reduced down to is repetitive, utterly lacking in substance “posts” like this:
So, what shall we call this “condition”?
We’ll need a context…of course.
Unless I’m wrong.
smears answered on your behalf, piggy,
He actually had a compelling argument – it’s worth the $1.00 to have her progeny removed from the gene pool, but I’d still rather you pay for it, not me.
You are no longer needed around here; you are dismissed.