The original post is on moral ecology, like a moral ecosystem, like a pluralistic (not relativistic) moral landscape.
But y’all went off on a tangent, zeroing in on an ag analogy.
Here is something relevant.
I made it when I was taking bioethics & have shared it elsewhere on the board.
Carleas,
I think if you pair the way the Golden Rule can be applied in unique cultures (see governing theory above) so that it preserves diversity without sacrificing unity, you can rerun Plato’s Republic to be a balance of powers/virtues rather than giving one sphere stronger weight than the others. This paper is a start toward that:
docs.google.com/document/d/1Snh … iw3TI/edit
Don’t think about it in terms of different classes of people, but different personality/culture types captured by inventories like the MBTi.
Bonus at the top of the ladder: If you rerun The Republic that way^^^, you get good, beautiful, true… dragon slaying, elf-maiden loving… poetry back in the polis.
Yet the US likes to dictate to the entirety of the rest of the world… but let’s not digress.
Like I said, in my first post: “Why have factory farming, when you can have local farming…” that caters to that local community… for we do not have to feed the world but communities within countries… so living local [sustainable] lives that are more in-line with nature.
Ecology is the study of organisms and how they interact with the environment around them. An ecologist studies the relationship between living things and their habitats.
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When (hu)man stops playing god, the world will find its own balance… as nature intended.
I’ll jump on the tangent bandwagon… but see my last three replies for comments more direct to pluralism.
Because economy of scale has increased productivity manifold since the industrial revolution, like I said. Before the industrial revolution more than half of the population worked in agriculture, now it’s something like 1,5%. Mechanization increased productivity, and that just works better on larger scales and with mono-cultures. Scaling back again to more local non-factory farming means less productivity.
We do have to feed the world in a globalized world because many countries have come to depend on imports of food, and would starve otherwise. That’s why the war in Ukraine risks becoming also a food-crisis, aside from an energy-crisis… a lot of countries depend on grain-exports from the “breadbaskets” of the world.
They think that I haven’t read every post in this thread… not that there’s loads or anything… 
Who here doesn’t do Drive docs. 
You feelin scrappy?
Good or bad, the green revolution happened. The more relevant question is what do we do now, given the situation we are in now? All the rest is kindof pointless post hoc moralising.
And that is IMO what has plagued green parties since their inception, a kindof reactionary, original sin, backward looking to a pristine garden of Eden that never really was, and certainly can never be realised from where we are now.
We need to move on, and we don’t have that much time left to waste on these fantasies.
Zoroastrianism, I believe was the original monotheism, which the jewish people were exposed to in Babylon and despite objections from the religious, clearly influenced the faith of the Jewish people…
Zoroastrianism was born in ancient persia… which at the time was quite a large empire.
Christianity was birthed in rome, which at the time was quite a large empire.
I don’t believe these efforts to unify were accidental… I believe they were efforts to hold together large empires experiencing cultural drift.
Islam had to resort to extreme measures to be expansionist with a monotheism, burning the culture of the invaded people (books, music, art and temples) they even erased the language of the people they invaded.
But after that initial brutality and conversion period, Islam was remarkably peaceful within its borders, all things considered.
Of course plenty of other factors play a role in keeping people unified… but culture is no small thing on that list and I think we all intuitively understand that. I think it’s why we naturally segregate ourselves among like-minded people. Today we try to call it being in an “echo chamber” or “bubble” or otherwise something bad… but there’s a reason we have this tendency. It’s easier to find not only common ground but cooperation when we think alike… and cooperation is the strategy our species employs for its success.
Humans overeat, so some scaling back wouldn’t go amiss… would solve the obesity pandemic too.
5/7/10/12+ a day, is a ridiculous amount of plant produce to recommend… I’m lucky if I make it to 1/2 non-antinutrient produce a day… which is more than enough to satiate.
Eat less plants… productivity-problem, solved.
I am well-aware of that, as are most. A plot of arable land… some seeds… some chicks… some goats… some lambs etc… leading to self-sufficiency. Perhaps the US doesn’t want that?
Eat less/optimally sufficient-enough / share more of the existing current turnover quantities. I think that many processed foods should be scrapped completely… for we did create them after-all [Frankenstein foods]… would solve the obesity pandemic too.
What a shame this thread like so many others has descended into a empty discussion on the delusion that is religion
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Someone said: You feelin scrappy?
Honesty in debate, is scrappy?
Is this a philosophy site, or a knitting circle?
I will not indulge the person [troll], further…
Yes that does sound plausible.
Rome was for the longest time pagan and stable. And then Christianity was adopted by Theodosius in more turbulent times. And maybe you could say before Christianity other cultural ideas, like the idea of Rome, the eternal city, played a similar unifying role. It maybe doesn’t have to be mono-theism specifically as long as you have some common flag to march under.
That’s how I would view these things, they are not exactly necessary per se, but certain contexts seem to be conductive to them.
…well not really, because religions also suggest (dictate?) how Their practitioners ought to live and even eat… then there’s more ‘sophisticated’ mandatories, like education, duty, obligations, etc…
Sure lets tell 100 million Egyptians for instance to grow their own food on the little strip of arable land between the Nile and desert,… and eat a little less.
I’m beginning to sound like a broken record at this point…
In the end it’s just an empirical claim, I don’t think we can grow enough food for everybody in a small scale way. You obviously think we can. Absent any evidence to the contrary I don’t think I will change my mind.
Where that is obviously the case, importing would be necessary… obviously.
Just how much produce does North Africa, South Africa, East Africa, and West Africa produce and inter-import/export? Not all of Africa is barren and impoverished.
Just remember… that a lot of produce grown is used-up in making processed goods.
Why not cut back on that? …the 1000s of varieties of biscuits, baked goods, crisps, sweets, cereals, fast-foods, ready meals etc.? I had said this earlier.
Group hug!