Your avatar and the term “demon kitty” indicate either a child or a female. Also coyness can be a female trait, so why not a straight answer?
It amuses me to see how I’m precived from my writing.
It seems less amusing now.
I’m still amused. 
Yeah, that certainly goes with the topic.
Mr Predictable - women have, throughout recorded history, been commodities. There’s nothing new in that. They have also been the object of fantasy. I think that lately, in the past twenty or thirty years, women have, generally, in the US, resisted the age-old abuses more than in the past. And, due to the fact that women routinely work now, they are less easily controlled by men. These men are clearly “out of control”. I think that’s what this boils down to.
Women are still commodities, but the market is much more volatile than it used to be.
I suspect that the complexity of the possible psychological make up up these people make it very difficult to generalize. Women have always been on the losing end of violence by males. I think that first, there is more reporting by women of this sort of thing, and the making of a spectacle of every murder in every possible situation is providing a “seed” example for all those who are contemplating such violence. It’s quite possible that for those who seek notoriety or revenge must go “one up” on the last horrific murder they read about or watched on TV. This subject has way too much complexity to be able to say much with any conviction, other than it would be wonderful if we could find a way to predict these things before they happen.
Yeah, tentative, one question that came to me before I posted was whether there actually is more violence by males against females than there has been in the recent past.
But that didn’t seem like the kind of thing that made for an interesting post.
So I went with it.
Gents,
I’m sure that there’s more violence towards men, but I think that it tends towards combative behaviour and crime related activities.
However, I believe that there’s more violence towards women that aren’t doing anything. Women are more likely to get “stolen,” raped, then killed. In these cases it’s not just that the female was doing anything except existing. So, the murder of many females, as we saw in the last two school situations, is about them as objects.
The root cause behind this is interesting to me. I wouldn’t have asked “why do poor black boys get killed so much,” because it’s clear that crime and economics is behind the motive. A huge number of girls disappear each year in the US, and around the world, who I’m sure weren’t doing anything.
But Mr P, it is economics.
Yes, I wonder when humanity will get off this wheel.
I also believe that social isolation plays a role in the economic picture. That helps to make other people into objects, as they seem less real.
I’d guess that objectifying others is simply part of socialization. As the person disappears and the persona takes over, seeing others as objects becomes easier. To the extent that one objectifies themselves, others then become objects as well. Historically, this part of enculturation is seen in many cultures. It would seem that one of the prices of civilization is the alienation of man from himself, and then from others. Slavery in any form, including the power of life-death decisions can then be driven from any multiplicity of psychological “reasons”.
Consider: The person who sees himself as a societal slave snaps. His own life is worth nothing, so why would the lives of any other slaves be important?
Interesting, ideas there.
I think that industrial society has created a situation where people live part from others during the course of their lives. It really has less to do with industry and more with the fact that people tend to live individually, and get much of their human contact through work and the media. That allows for the creation of shallow conceptions of others.
These conceptions allow one to become angry at mass numbers of people and to view others as things, because you know they are, but don’t know much else.
The anger comes in when the isolated person wants contact, but cannot resolve their isolation. All of the personally developed belief systems then clash with reality as the person tries to make contact. Females are the most needed type of person in a male’s life, so they end up as the target of the most aggression.
I think that the effects of industrialization are vastly underrated. The violence done to the individual because of the “advances” of industrial society have been in place for so long that few ever really look at man, the animal, and man as a cog in the societal machine. The gaps can be tremendous, and for some individuals, unbearable. Perhaps the greatest strength of the human animal is our adaptability. Of course, one of our greatest weaknesses is our adaptability. We get ourselves into some strange places, don’t we?
One of the most common attributes of industrialized society is the invention of clocks, an invention that divides time into tiny segments, and all for the purpose of regulating human activity. The human animal can adapt to living by a clock, but at what cost? Did you ever ‘wait’ to go to the bathroom because it wasn’t break time yet? Simple stuff, huh? Yes dear, I’ll be to bed just as soon as the ten o’clock news is over… Clocks make industrial society possible, but it reduces the human animal to a component in the machinery.
And that is one of the more simple examples.
You’re on a role Tentative!
Did you ever hear that lots of people around the world barely even know what time is?
Many westerners think these people are nuts.
Mr. P,
Yes, the majority of the world knows sun up, high noon, and sunset, and they don’t need any other measurement of day. There are millions of people who have no need to know more than that. Do those people still kill others? Yes. Are women still considered as objects? Yes. But for entirely different reasons and in completely different ways. I suspect that there might even be people left who have not objectified themselves.
One of the best books I’ve read on the psychology of alienation is R.D. Laing’s book The Politics of Experience. Laing is one of the most brilliant writers I’ve ever read.
Is it wise to attempt to group these act together into the same category? We can file them under the same heading in the report, but does that necessarily indicate any kind of related cause? The causes for these events may not be all of one kind.
Mr. P,
I thought this link might just stir the pot a little. The crazies are out there, everywhere. msnbc.msn.com/id/15349057/from/ET/?GT1=8618
I don’t see why not.
The core motives of most activities have a handful of motives. Those are maintainly the basic emotions.
I’ve met many men that report that their lives are: sleep, eat, drink, get money, fuck.
Mr P.
Has any of them written a how-to book?