Explains how bathing women’s faces in acid (women who aren’t happy with the repressive social rules) is becoming more and more common.
Johann Hari
Obviously a woman choosing to get plastic surgery is the same as her being forced by her husband’s will (or etc) to quit getting an education or face getting their faces melted off with battery acid. (sarcasm)
Theres differences in how different societies treat women, and we need to condemn those that come anywhere near to approaching this.
There was a post I read on another forum regarding the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia. The post’s author had lived there for four years with his wife. To hear how Saudi women were treated would make most U.S. citizens’ blood boil.
And yet, we are excellent buddies with the Saudis for their oil. The urgency to ween ourselves off of foreign oil is growing, and rightfully so.
Uh, no we don’t have higher crime rates and more to the point, when muslims live in first world countries they tend to make up massive parts of the prison population like in france where they sometimes make up to like 70% of the prison population.
We might have more abortions, but STDS are beacuse people are uncareful (most times) and exist in other places, abortions are good as well.
Wheres the evidence that we have higher crime rates? In fact statistical violence rates and feuds are quite high in muslim groups.
I wish more of this information was disseminated by the major media outlets - we might see a little more outrage and a little more action if more people were aware that this is happening.
When the oil runs out, Islam will sink back into the sand and the 7th century. Their only hope is to reform themselves about 10 centuries worth in about 50 years. It isn’t likely. Without oil money, they will find themselves unable to compete in the larger world and will slowly lose any influence that oil money has bought them. The world’s largest religion will be the smallest in a century.
When all they have left to sell is sand, perhaps reformation will be possible, but until then they will all suffer the strictures of religion, and women will suffer most. The savagery will continue…
So are you saying it will become Africa? Kidding…somewhat. It seems Africa is a somewhat valid comparison, as they don’t have very much infrastructure and very few natural resources, aside from diamonds, but I’m open to education if I’m being an ignoramus here.
Are these abuses against Muslim women or the women of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc.? Is it the religion or the society? I deplore these acts as barbaric but how is change to be brought about? Wasn’t the selling slogan of the Afghan/Iraq war to bring about democracy and it’s rights and freedoms etc. yet in Afghanistan there are still public hangings i.e. crowds gather to watch. Are these countries even prepared for change? And is it the right of other more developed nations to intervene? interfere?
Well its hard to distinguish the two when the religion has so much influence in muslim countries. I’m sure that muslim countries could become non-violent/equality of women, but the point is that theres a huge* correlation with countries being islamic and being repressive with women. The reason the societies envolved are so bad is because they practice fundamentalist islamic beliefs.
The countries are prepared for some amount of change (how much is questionable) but in iraq an elected government was set up that listened to women protesting in the streets about their dislike of sharia law, so some amount of change is welcome.
In other areas not at all. Afghanistan is still pretty bad but still a bit better than it was, with women being allowed to do more and such.
The major media won’t do anything as long as it might harm their little darling. And outrage has no chance against the adrenalin of a messianic rampage.
Who the fuck are we, the United States of Hypocrisy, to tell Muslims what to do or not do with their property, I mean, women?
Didn’t they fly two airplanes into a couple of tall buildings after being betrayed by the CIA and left to die? My memory is foggy…
No, wait, I was thinking of something different. I meant: how can we tell Muslims what to do when we drop bombs on their civilians like [size=120]COWARDS[/size]? See, my idea is, if you are going to “accidently” kill Muslims for no-good-reason, then you should do it face-to-face to make sure the effect is actually felt one way or the other. Then, maybe, just maybe, us Americans can tell Muslims what to do and how to behave. Until then, I am going to save up some money to buy some crank and scantly-clad hookers. Viva Amerika!
RU, strip away the politics, strip away the nationalism, strip away the religion - we are talking about people here. Can you honestly tell me you see nothing wrong with throwing acid in someone’s face - for any reason? There is absolutely no justification for that kind of treatment, and your attempt to make light of it is not very funny.
First I find the treatment of women there disgusting. I find it even more disgusting that the women there continue to condone such actions against themselves. Its not like a great many women there d not know how women are treated in other paces. They may have some ignorance but, not total ignorance. Until the women decide they will not tolerate such actions from their men there is nothing anyone can do. To be truly free you have to risk your life, you have to stand up and fight. They do not, only a few do. The women there must want to be free.
But Kris, isn’t that what this woman was doing? She was standing up for herself; she repeatedly defied her husband by attending school, in spite of his beatings. What did it get her? A permanently disfigured face. Not a broken arm, not a broken leg. They made sure she would not be able to hide the “lesson” they taught her, nor would she ever be able to forget it. Think of the message that sends to the women who know her.
Would you be inclined to take a stand, if you knew your own family would pin you down and mutilate you for being disobedient? I know if it were me, I’d welcome any help I could get.
Terrible, inescusable, and self-defeating - justifying the interventions of the other cultures that they wish to stop their womenfolk from emulating in the first place.
It won’t work unless the women around her support her and others in their culture. The few cannot stand alone under such abuse. If the women around her agree with the men then she can only be a forgotten martyr. Women were given rights here and across the world by standing together, by supporting each other. Women died at the hands of their males. And these were average sort of Christian non fanatic males, just grunting I am he man you will obey me males. Their culture was not their religion. In the middle east, their culture leans towards their religion far more than other countries.
In a culture where women are chattel and abused chattel they must see it forthemselves or any help would be futile. We can step in and say no more. But as soon as we leave the abuse will begin again and be even worse than before unless the women find courage to stand together and be willing to die for each others future and their daughters futures. I would help but, even here when women are abused they defend the abusive male. They go back to him. You can’t help those that do not know they need help.
I’ve never understood the entire, “We can’t criticize the actions of others because we do so many bad things ourselves,” argument. It’s not like we, as individual citizens, are responsible for most of the outrageous crap our government does.
Throwing acid in somebody’s face is wrong. A rapist has just as much right to point that out as an ideal citizen. Wrong is wrong (let’s forget subjectivity for a second).
But women here who stood up for their rights weren’t being beaten and stoned to death. They didn’t have acid thrown in their face. Sure, they didn’t have a right to vote, and maybe some of them were hit by their husbands, but the reprocussions weren’t nearly as severe as they would be in the middle east.