[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0fZPdt7Vhs[/youtube]
I shat brix.
It is quite interesting what fills some voids when opportunity presents itself.
But wait, I thought you patriots didn’t care what happened to Europe?
The ironic thing about the background music is that it’s from Rachid Taha’s Barra Barra, a little bit of contemporary rai music, which is the music of freedom, criticism, and liberty in the Maghreb. But then one would have to actually RESEARCH something about Islam and North Africa to know that…Nothing like a little irony…
this is fucking fear mongering nonsensical bull shit.
as soon as the moon and star came up and the dramatic music comes on and the screen goes dark, you know there is going to be as much logic in this video as in a lucky charms commercial.
no offense liteninbolt, but you did not pick a winner.
and btw, if people are immigrating, then the fertility rate is bolstered anyhow, so it doesn’t matter.
but i havn’t finished watching, let’s see how she goes. 
wow, i’m almost finished and it’s been a long schpeel of bull shit. This video just spouts off unrealistic projections. It’s crying out that our “cultures” will die and be replaced by Islam, which is done in an ominous and fearful way. Frankly with over population a low fertility rate is a good thing. I like how this video quotes a random 8.2 fertility rate for Muslims in some random country. I like how they associate Muslims with the Russian army, which is obviously more fear mongering from a source which is anti Russian and anti Muslim and tries to put fear into the watcher by insinuating that we will have to fight a Russian army of Muslims (how scary?). I also like the nonsense about this “impossible to reverse culture loss fertility” crap. all he says is “historical research tells us”, then goes on to quote a bunch of trumped up statistics with an obvious agenda to scare you using Muslims as the threat. how about i make a video warning against Christian immigration…
how much sense would that make?
this is political, social and religious propaganda. Probably put out by the same people creating “terrorist threats”. your true enemies, the ones you never see. This is not a current event at all, this is current manipulation.
Holy shit. Pun intended.
Calling on fellow believers? a call to action?
This isn’t generic fear mongering, this is war mongering. War starts in the media. have some fun guys.
On the plus side, this means more religious women will be making themselves more available. I’ll happily do my patriotic duty.
ah yes, the silver lining… I hope they don;t force us to marry them, and circumcision is out of the question.
I’ve seen this before, and the only thing it shows is that propagandists have no regard for truth or reason.
For example in the UK the tabloids and the BNP claim that in 40 years the UK will be 60% mixed Muslim race. Since Muslims make up about 6% of the UK population 85% of which is white and British. It’s hard to see how this going to happen with even a basic understanding of maths. Not only that but European populations can fluctuate, so for example our birth rate was down to about 1.4 ten years ago and is now up to close to 1.9 and appears to be rising, so what this bs is about 1.3 can never be reversed I don’t know? It depends on the fact that our birth to death ratio is so tiny that, provided population is replaced either by immigration or birth rates then it can remain very low for decades without us all dying out, it is not 1843. They also seem to forget that much of the people who are immigrants tend to return to their nation particularly when there is political unrest. So numbers don’t remain fixed nor do they, believe it or not, suddenly exponentiate beyond reason. Also Muslims tend to be quite insular marrying within their own culture, much like Jewish people do. Also what they don’t show is that the birth rates of Muslim countries have dropped markedly in the last 40 years, as countries have acquired more modern methods of birth control. Some countries are approaching Western countries in there birth numbers. So what happens when an immigrant group is given access to contraception? Is it nothing or do they continue to breed like rabbits?
This is possibly the most skewed piece of nonsense I’ve seen in a while. But if you genuinely believe it, I suggest you get screwing.
I’m glad everyone enjoyed it.
It’s a sort of schardenfreuder because some racists will believe this, and trust me I’ve spent long pages on forums trying to reason them out of there delusions. But that said yes in and of itself it’s enjoyable to those with their thinking heads on.
As unrealistic as the video may be, it would be so nice for a person who defends islam to actually read the quran and realize what a recipe it is for violence, close mindedness and perpetual fear of just about “everyone else” until it dominates the ranks of society.
It’s only a recipe for violence if you remove it from the context of being a religion founded in turbulent times amongst disparate tribes. Mohamed’s conquest of the Arabian peninsular, was say compared to the religious conquests of Europe, almost bloodless in comparison, with body counts well under theirs. That’s because in that mess of religious war that was the foundation of Islam is also a core of beliefs that stem more from Christianity and Judaism. I have read some of it, and to be honest like most large books, you can make it say whatever you like. Christianity is supposed to be a religion founded on peace. We all know how much of a running joke that is.
For example in Islam it is forbidden to kill old people and attack temples, priests, Rabbis of people of the book (Christians and Jews) Just as it is in Islam. Martyrdom is death in the name of Allah in the face of odds beyond the norm, in battle usually. It is forbidden to kill innocents, it is forbidden to do lots of things in Islam against those who worship God if not their particular brand of God. However since when do all Muslims follow their holy book any more than all Christians do? When asked if he thought what he was doing was in accordance with Islam, Osama Bin Laden admitted flat out that no it wasn’t always. Same goes for anyone who invokes religion in the name of atrocities. There are death cults out there, but Christianity is meant to be a peaceful one, not the Thugee cult. Should really act like it.As for Islam, Jihad does not mean holy war, it means to struggle or strive in the way Of Allah, it can mean either armed conflict against oppression, or the struggle with faith and wisdom. It is not meant to be used as propaganda tool to justify homocidal/psychopathic maniacs free reign. But then when has that stopped people, King Richard (of the third crusade) was meant to be pious and brave, but reading about his wartime activities makes me think he was more of a psychopath than many modern day religious fanatics even. Religion making anything justifiable since ~14000BC.
Do you know that at one town the now starving knights met an army of Saracens, after defeating them at the battle they then when on to roast the women and children from the baggage train and camps on spits, and eat them. Seriously I’m not making that up either it’s in letters from the knights back to Europe and is documented by historians. I mean how religiously mental do you have to be to justify that in the name of God? The last Islamic warlord I think that obeyed religiously the Qur’an was probably Saladin, who was respected by both Christian and Islamic militia alike for his chivalry and honourable conduct (in line with Islam) towards the enemy. Unlike Richard who was a bit of a bastard to be frank, who’s Christian ethos was something he kept under wraps if his actions are any indication.
Religion and politics, never mix.
I’ll take out a couple quotes:
4.11: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half…"
4.15: If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
4.24: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess
This is one of my favorites:
4.34: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
4.46: Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear what is not Heard”; and “Ra’ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: “What hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
So that goes with respect to women and jews. You’ll be familiar with the quote that muslims should only befriend muslims, since Jews and Christians will deceive and are friends only with each other. As for the glorification of war:
4.74: Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
4.75: And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!”
4.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.
4.77: Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (from fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as - or even more than - they should have feared Allah. They said: “Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not Grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?” Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: Never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least!
It can not be clearer, and all this from a single surah. There are good things, it’s not necessarily an inherently evil religion, and there’s cases of contradictions where it simultaneously condemns and commends (Jews for example), but it’s not by any means a peaceful religion, as explicitly stated in 4.77.
Oh yeah I’m convinced, I can do the same with the Bible, your point is? The religion isn’t violent, people are, and they will use any excuse to politically maneuver, history if its taught us nothing else, it’s taught us that men don’t need an excuse to war, they just need an incentive. Most violent nations on Earth are? Europe, hands down, hell half the time if we didn’t have an excuse we just made one up, fascism, communism, you name it we warred over it. Trying to claim that Islamics are more warlike in the face of the West is ironic to say the least though.
My point is mankind is violent particularly when he’s threatened by other men and their greed for oil, when my freedom to chose how to live my life is threatened I as a human being get violent, goes for everyone though. Let’s not pretend either we had nothing to do with stirring the bees nest, operation ajax ring any bells? The overthrow of the democratic government of Iran by a CIA/UK sponsored coup(and I mean proper democracy) for a tyrannical dictator (The Shah) In order to gain favourable oil concessions for the newly formed British Petroleum company. And not about oil but about having a stepping stone to ingress into the ME, the so called two state solution, where no one in the ME was asked about it basically because they all said no are you fucking mental?! Actually any country near the blast radius including Turkey and Greece said no, but there you go. It’s amazing how the Middle East remained fairly neutral and not necessarily particularly warlike until the West got involved in war as well. Of course that would just be the religion that is violent right?
It’s all politics, religion is just the grease that makes men more fanatical about killing themselves for nothing, hell if Europeans were all buddhists the religion would of by now been a warlike religion encouraging martial arts and Kung Fu, and above all ninjas (although that’s shinto, a more removed offshoot of buddhism).
Your argument seems to be the same as the American gun slingers. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.
The bible has justified some pretty cruel things throughout history as well. But then contrast the ridiculous number of sects in christianity and the number of their followers to the number of sects in islam. The bible is much more open to interpretation than islam. Anyway, you won’t see me defending christianity. Human psychology is completely irrelevant when analysing what the quran is saying. I did not take out isolated examples, or remove them from context in a misleading way; this type of hate mongering and segregation between peoples is openly encouraged by the quran in society, as shown by all the text referring to non muslims, and the financial as well, as exemplified by the extra tax imposed on non-muslims.
It seems you’ve set up a big strawman and are beating it to the ground. I’m not saying religion is the cause of man’s violence. The point is that islam is segregationist and a religion that easily allows for violence since “fighting for those under oppression” is by no means an ad hoc solution and far too open to interpretation. Especially when a “great reward” awaits those who die for islam.
I would ammend this to ‘ideas don’t kill people, beliefs do’. The ideas that make up Islam/Christianity/insert religion of choice will not kill anyone. Belief that these ideas are true can and does. Religion still needs the people factor.
Islam claims it has no sects, but then it has a hundred different versions at least if you don’t believe me google it. It’s a younger religion though so it’s not surprising it hasn’t diversified or become as corrupted as Christianity.
You do realise that fundamentalism only came about in any real serious way with the incursions of first the British and then the West.
You mean appealing to history and politics is a Straw man? 
And I’m saying religion has little to do with it, human nature is the root cause. Religion the thin icing of pseudo civility. People will die for anything if the cause is just, they will die with more zeal if there idol is an axiom, like liberty and justice and freedom for all.
Your problem is you think that there are different species of human being, when in fact the world over we are all the same. What we will fight and die for is freedom to do and believe what we want. If anything encourages that it is human nature, The Bible or the Qur’an are just the icing on the cake.
Guns are tools, they do what they are designed by the makers to do, and that is to kill.
Do you think if the Islamic world was Christian and Europe and its colonies Islamic then Europe would be less warlike like Islam traditionally? Or if there was no religion then there would be less war somehow or no war?
You only have to look at the numbers of Christians to see the mountains of skulls that have grown up in the name of bringing God to the heathen. The trouble is most people are blissfully unaware of the excuses used to justify man’s greed and lust for power and wealth. Most have only a fleeting understanding of history and politics. Villifying religion is derrigeur these days but it misses the point, if you want to mock anything seek the source. After all the two biggest killers in the 20th century Stalin ~10-30 million of his own people either directly or through woeful neglect. Hitler about 10 million or so all told, if we don’t include the war casualties. Hitler was a Catholic but believed the church was a tool for propaganda, and documents reveal he was going to disestablish all religion after the war. Stalin of course believed religion was an opiate of the masses and tried to expunge it by oppression. We don’t need religion to kill any ideology will do. “God with us”, Where was that found though? On the heralds of the Crusades? On the Cavaliers tabards? No it was written on the belts of the Nazi dog soldiers. Every propagandists knows the power of religion, even if they don’t ultimately believe in the church.
Dwight Eisenhower:
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.
April 16, 1953
Men will fight and die for a cause, they will die all the more fanatically if there is a promise of favour from God, whatever the religion.
Christianity favours martyrdom in the name of a cause just as much as Islam does. In fact most people think of Christianity as a death cult, at least those who are not religious.
If you want to tally up all the bodies though, look at the number of people who have died in the name of God, and then compare it to the number of people who have died in the name of Islam. Now we are dying for different idols, peace, freedom, democracy but the effect is much the same. Even if Islam all became atheists tomorrow, they’d still fight in unconventional ways, just as the Tamil Tigers do or should I say did (non religious terrorists not averse to blowing themselves or others up in the name of freedom) or indeed the Lord’s Resistance Army (Christian fundamentalist terrorists in Uganda). When you have nothing but primitive weapons, the only way to level the playing field is to fight dirty. That’s what resistance armies have done since the start, including our own nations in Europe, The French Resistance, The partisans and so on. Cliché: one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist.
Do you think the Arabs lead by Lawrence of Arabia were that bothered by the numbers of civilian casualties on the Turkish trains they blew up. Only in as much as they were dying for the cause of a free Arab nations, something that was to be rudely denied by the treaties of Sykes-Picot treaty which against the treaties of English and Arab promised much of their land to Jews where once it was promised to Feisel and what would become the Syrian nation. It’s all mostly politics trust me, the whole thing is a mess of greed for oil, that came about during war time and the need for fuel for the iron killing machines and then economics and the need to power the West. Under the surface is a seething mass of politics and greed, as I say the religion is just what makes people die with more fervour, they’d fight without it and die without it and blow themselves up without it, they just wouldn’t be so keen to meet their maker.
If you ask me there are some things worth fighting for, peace for example, or the right of self determination in the face of democratic oppressors (as ironic as that sounds), but nothing is worth dying for not even God/Allah. But then I’m not George Bush or Osama Bin Laden. Aren’t God and Allah the same person? Why then does he set us against each other, is he mad? 
Let’s take a look at your strawman:
Me: As unrealistic as the video may be, it would be so nice for a person who defends islam to actually read the quran and realize what a recipe it is for violence, close mindedness and perpetual fear of just about “everyone else” until it dominates the ranks of society.
You: Islam isn’t a recipe for violence, unless out of context. Look at Christianity and how violent that is.
Me: Here are some quotes, among others, that encourage segregation and glorify fighting and death for islam’s ideals.
You: Quranic text doesn’t mean anything. Look at what christianity has done. The quran can encourage peace or violence. It’s the people that act on it.
Me: Of course it’s people that act on it. How about gun fatalities in the US (remember that guns don’t kill people, it’s people that kill people). What does availability of the means to achieve an ends translate to in social terms?
What are those figures you have for the deaths resulting from islam and those from christianity in the past 1400 years? What are the criteria?
Another:
“Your problem is you think that there are different species of human being, when in fact the world over we are all the same.”
Different species of human being? Is that what you understood when I said islam is not peaceful? Do I become a different species if I convert to christianity?
And do you even know who are you addressing? Why do you keep referring to the bible? I don’t know why you haven’t registered that I’m not comparing islam with or championing any other religion. The point is very very very clear: Islam, contrary to a liberal paradigm, is not a peaceful religion, as per the quran. It has nothing to do with other religions. I really don’t know why you’re confused. I really don’t know why you’ve written an essay.