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James define order without using disorder? I don’t need chaos which is a tendency to disorder, then how can anyone understand order (let’s call it law), which is a tendency to order, if something has no disorder ever how can it become ordered, surely it’s just order, and there is no differentiation between more ordered and less ordered. You’re not making sense.
The existence of something is independent of the definition or understanding of it.
Or are you proposing that DNA did not exist until it was so named?
The order that is exemplified by anything being impossible is independent of anyone understanding that it was impossible and also independent of any definition that might require explaining its opposite so as to help understand the concept.
In addition, what is impossible is often (not always) independent of what else might be possible.
Yeah great you haven’t answered the question- define order, what is it that makes something ordered and hence something that is not it: disordered?
You asked that I define something without using its opposite in the definition. I can do that, but my point was that such an exercise is irrelevant. We were discussing the existence of an impossibility void of a chaos causing it, not whether someone can define something.
So to get more on point, what chaos is required such as to cause infinite propagation speed to be impossible?
Chaos does not say that infinite propagation is possible, in fact it says the opposite, it says only that disorder can arise within the same time and space order can within physical laws, conservation of energy cannot be broken by either. You can’t define an ordered state within a set of laws unless you can define a disordered state within the same laws, in which such a medium can logically exist.
You still haven’t defined order though, you’ve just avoided defining it with axioms that make no physical or logical sense.
A totally self contained chaos, inploded to the size of a point that too, vanishes.
If the end result of that “vanishing” is that it has no affect upon anything whatsoever, then it doesn’t exist.
And likewise neither does your totally self contained order then it doesn’t exist, I think you missed his point.
James no offence but you’re on to a loser here, you really can’t abuse philosophy by claiming things don’t exist like that. If you continue to do so you are only going to prove that neither can your own case exist. Fine by me, but it’s a waste of your time I think.
Talk…talk…talk…
Will you EVER learn to substantiate your objections and avoid obsessing over the person?
That “order” of something being impossible HAS affect upon anything and everything else, such as the propagation timing and eventual size of all physical objects.
The proposed vanished chaos causes what? Apparently nothing.
James define order for me. My argument rests on a proper discussion about what is order and what is hence disorder, you seem to have failed to make a structured argument that addresses this point. I don’t really see how we can discuss anything if you refuse to address the crux of the argument, that’s just you ducking it as usual. Which is fine, if you don’t tackle the argument at hand, then you are wrong, and the argument is done.
Typical BS.
Order is anything that is consistent, unchanging, including relationships between things. The circle that cannot also be a square is another example. That fact never changes regardless of the effort to obfuscate with semantics.
The impossibility of infinite propagation speed literally causes all physical reality, including the chaos. That fact never changes, regardless of thoughts and desires to the contrary. Thus that fact is “Order”, the cause of all things.
…also known as “Logic” and to a few very well informed individuals, known as “God”.
Appearently…