You changed the previous post after I agreed. Your last post I don’t get. What entire substance?
“pure consciousness” is not substance?
Yes it is.
That substance.
Mind from mind.
The spirit returns to the God who gave it.
Right . In that situation you’re positing two :your spirit and God( who is Spirit (John 4:24)). That’s not pure spirit. Pure spirit is God only as in “God only is, all else is illusion.”
Here I am equating spirit with consciousness.
Only God is necessary being in terms of aseity, but the contingent beings who get our being from his Being he eternally subsumes—such subsumption demonstrates/exists self=other (his essence).
I agree up to the—-. After that it’s your special equation which doesn’t make sense to me.
You are not aseity — you are contingent.
And yet you are mind (self, or other) from mind (other, or self).
If you recognize that, you should acknowledge it in your thinking, valuing, and acts.
God (mind, spirit, “pure consciousness”) has never not recognized that. That is why he acts according to it (subsumes that act eternally—ultimately demonstrated in incarnation, death, and resurrection—descending “down” to us, and drawing us “up” to him). It is who he is.
Body and mind are contingent. Consciousness is not.
Why are you making a distinction between mind and consciousness? You are not your thoughts.
I already explained above.
Nope.
Perhaps by mind you are referring to what is also called the intellect —the understanding—the judge or evaluator of the thoughts.
Just because the way God’s mind works (aseity) is not the way our mind works (contingently) does not mean they are not both mind/consciousness.
You are conflating.
Who said anything about how God‘s mind works or doesn’t work?
Do you have a better reason for why you said what you said? You still haven’t answered my question about why you distinguish between mind and consciousness, considering you are not your thoughts (my reply to your first answer).
No. You are not your mind.
I agree with this, my wording of it was just different. I viewed it as unconscious facets presenting themselves to the conscious mind but in reality, all of it is still consciousness presenting itself to the “self”.
So I am curious what your view of animals is then, they aren’t as conscious as us but still possess a lower consciousness of being, I view them as being subconscious facets of reality, then matter that is not biological life is unconscious facets.
We have to speculate since they don’t speak our language. They seem to be conscious but not metaconscious that is they are not conscious of being conscious. Even Jung sometimes refers to that state as unconscious though it is only comparatively so.
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