if something is named by humans and humans creates names for everything.
then everything humans know of has a name.
if humans discover something without a name they will name it.
therefore if humans name everything, and there is a name for everything humans know of.
before humans existed we can presume everything was not named.
if humans create the name for something they are substituing its real name.
therefore
we can presume that everything we know of doesnt have the correct name and
this means that all objects are unknown and we don’t know what anything is called.
…We know what things are called by us though, and that’s really all that matters. We are simply giving name to an identity.
Your conclusion doesn’t really follow from your premises, or more to the point, your premises contradict each other. I mean, if things were unnamed before humans, it follows that names are something we came up with, something that is a purely human way of ordering things. This means that a “real name” in the sense that you want to use it, doesn’t exist. Names would be, and quite rightly are, human creations. Names connote/refer…without the intentionality that we lend them wouldn’t, they would simply be un-referring formal symbols, hence not names…“real names” outside the syntax of human language is incomprehensible.
Naturally this is not taking into consideration strong AI and other possible intentional creatures with complex language, but that’s a different argument.
Yes.
(can I say that?)
But like you said humans name everything. Without humans, everything is nameless. The correct name is that which we give them because there is no other. At least as far as we know
Animals probably “Name” things in their own minds. Some even communicate with sounds, and attach sounds to objects.
Names yes, Qualities no.
Hydrogen would not be called hydrogen without people but it would still have all of the things that comprise it’s “Hydrogenness” IE it would primarily exist in gas form and consist of a single electron orbiting a single neutron and proton.
You don’t say. I know dolphins communicate with sounds. Do they name objects too?
If we did not name things what would Webster do?
Continue to decompose, if he is not done allready, I hear he’s been dead for a while.
Well yea, that Webster is dead, but the company is not. Hmmmmmm Other than Walt Disney and Webster, are there many companies or corporations that have the names of the deceased? does anyone have an exact count? Lets keep it to international household names, world wide famous not just specific countries. I know Disney and Webster are pretty international.
I believe they use some sounds to communicate thoughts or ideas, such as “Danger” “Food” “Love”.
If they continuosly use the same sound then that is the objects name. Any human name for any object is just a sound, or a collection of sounds.
Off hand I can think of a few…
Kellogs
McDonald’s
Ferrari
Heinz
Warner Bros.
I’m bored now…
Hehe I realised my mistake after I wrote this but was thinking more that you would use the different languages that humans use to catch me out. I had not thought about animals.
Either way there is no objective name that can be given. Its a common noise used to communicate what something is. Thats all that realy matters