Need a new book

I am just about ready to finish Twilight of the Idols which is the first philosophy book I have ever read. What do you guys think should be the next book to read? And of course, being the scholars that you are, you will suggest a good second book and not your favorite book, right? :smiley:

The possibilites are endless, and surely should take into consideration your own interests. I think Nietzsche is brutal for the novice, although for reasons unknown to me, I took to him right away. I would suggest you might enjoy a Hegel reader, or his Philosophy of History. No one is more different from Nietzsche than Hegel. And Nietzsche is often enough reacting to Hegel and his ilk. Hegel is much easier to read, as well.

Hegel is a favorite of mine, but mostly for entertainment. He is historically important, though.

Truly, I would stay away from Kant, because he is obscure, and Plato, because he is obtuse - for the time being. But sooner or later, you will have to deal with them.

Hume is another possibility, because modern philosophy is so thoroughly influenced by him. Not as difficult as he may first appear, I think.

Or, if you like Nietzsche, read everything else he wrote. He is best understood all at once.

One more suggestion is the translations of Ernst Werklempter that you will find on this site. He is the greatest philosopher of all time, so you can’t really go wrong with him.

Have fun.

Searle’s ‘Mind’ has always been a favorite of mine. Incredibly easy to read. Philosophy of mind doesn’t get enough run around here. (Rounder you’re an exception)

or Princess de Cleves

Awesome guys! thanks! I shall look into some of those.

if you are just finishing twilight of the idols and it is your only exposure to philosophical texts I would seriously recommend reading fear and trembling by soren kierkegaard (under the pseudonym johannes de silento I believe)


-Imp

read Mere Christianity

Oooh, Imp. I wish I’d thought of that one. TreMENDous. Easy to read, fun, and pertinent.

my favorite by lewis is “the great divorce”. easy read, short, but the most brilliant look into heaven and hell ever put down on paper. a definate must read!

Aristotle’s Ethics, Rhetoric and Metaphysics are all key texts in my opinion. Arist sets up so much of the subsequent discussions in philosophy and will probably make it a lot easier for you to see how different schools and ideas are related in various traditions.

Also, get a good (i.e. more than 200 page) introduction to the PreSocratic philosophers. Don’t attempt anything like Kant or Derrida or Wittgenstein or Locke or Hume until you’ve got some sort of grasp of the things that came before them. I wish that I’d read Aristotle before I read Nietzsche.

Don’t read Hegel.

It depends why are you reading Philosophy? If you are reading to learn knowledge about the world? Forget it, don’t read anything. Everything that you are capable of understanding is old and wrong. Are you reading so that you can have a better life? Forget it
philosophy doesn’t teach that. Maybe you just enjoy reading philosophy as a form of literature? Hell that’s what Rorty thinks philosophy is anyway


Don’t read Kierkegaard
waste of time.

So let me know why you are reading philosophy before you jump into it


and whatever you do
 don’t read C.S Lewis

A must for any philisophical Library is Treasury of Philosophy Edited By Dagobert D. Runes (1955) You need to aquire this fine piece if you can find it.

Plato’s Republic

if you want something thats really hard to understand for a novice
 get Wittgenstein :slight_smile:; Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus was one of my very first.
Nietzsche is easy to read, you picked well; my first book by him was “The genealogy of morals”; interesting read aswell.

Here’s what i recommend:
Davind Hume,
Jean-Paul Sartre
John Stuart Mill
Immanuel Kant
Daniel C. Dennett (contemporary)
Colin McGinn (also contemporary)

The Philosopher’s Handbook: A User’s Guide to Western Philosophy, ed. Stanley Rosen.

Cheap (about $15, and even cheaper if you get a used copy)
Big (some 600 pages)
Versatile (selections from the likes of Plato, Hume, Kant, Leibniz, Augustine, Kierkegaard, Locke, Rousseau, Wittgenstein, and many more)

I wouldn’t necessarily recommend reading it cover-to-cover, but at least it can afford you a glimpse into the works of the greats, giving you a good feel of who you’d like to look into further, and who to avoid, based on your personal reading preferences.

However, do not buy or read Bertrand Russell’s A history of western philosophy because it’s largely wrong. Not badly written, just not very good. I thought about rewriting it but Cambridge University would have a seizure and I’ve no particular desire to piss of the British philosophical establishment.

Also, don’t bother with John Locke until you’ve read lots of other stuff first. Likewise Berkeley. In fact, ignore the Englightenment altogether. I wish that it had never happened


Oh, and JS Mill is a fruitcake. Bentham was a pedophile (it was hushed up).

Kant. There’s too much to say about Kant for me to be bothered saying it.

Immanuel Kant was a real pissant
Who was very rarely stable.

Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table.

David Hume could out-consume
Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, [some versions have ‘Schopenhauer and Hegel’]

And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel.

There’s nothing Nietzche couldn’t teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will,
On half a pint of shandy was particularly ill.

Plato, they say, could stick it away–
Half a crate of whisky every day.

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle.
Hobbes was fond of his dram,

And René Descartes was a drunken fart.
‘I drink, therefore I am.’

Yes, Socrates, himself, is particularly missed,
A lovely little thinker,
But a bugger when he’s pissed.

Nice one I’d been wondering about the lyrics for a long time
This is my readin’ list for the summer:

Phenomenology of spirit
- Hegel
Difference and Repetition - Deleuze and the other fella (if I can get it - 28 quid cheapest price on Uk Amazon!!)
Being and Nothingness - Sartre (been reading a lot of excerpts and very impressed with the subtly of his psychology/phenomenology)
and for an over view
Introduction to Philosophical Analysis - John Hospers

and a big pad for notes

oh mercy

Krossie