Nietzsche

Hi, I’m fairly new to this whole “philosophy” thing. I have often heard, though never in serious conversation, that Nietzsche had some argument against the existence of free will. I have looked through two of his books “Daybreak”, and “Human, All Too Human” (which seemed a good geuss) and not found any such argument. Does he actually have one? If so, which book?

-Meno-

I think it is in Beyond Good and Evil. Could be in Will to Power though.

I think it is something about how man needs the illusion of free will, but it isn’t real.

But I’m not sure.

Type “Nietzsche The four great errors” into google.

It’s ironic, because low calorie diets do seem to be a highly effect means to extend life . . .

Thanks a bunch for the fast response, that looks like an interesting read, pretty different from what I’ve seen of him so far.

“Freedom of will or no freedom of will?-- There is no such thing as “will”; it is only a simplifying conception of understanding, as is “matter.”
All actions must first be made possible mechanistically before they are willed. Or: the “purpose” usually comes into the mind only after everything has been prepared for its execution. The end is an “inner” “stimulus”–no more.”
[The Will to Power, section 671, entire.]

Of course, to be consistent with himself he would have to admit that this isn’t truth, merely his perspective, so we don’t need to take it seriously.

:slight_smile:

Your conclusion (which I have made bold) makes clear that you have not understood: for you still judge “subjective” judgments by the standard of supposed “objective” truth.

Oh, I understand his theories just fine, they are just wrong. He may think he’s completely consistent, but he isn’t.

explain yourself :smiley:

He is about as consistent as Marx, but does that mean he is wrong in all aspects of his beliefs and ideas? Marx may have been wrong about alot of things, but you must keep in mind that these are theories and are only wrong when proven wrong. Can you prove him wrong? If you can, and wrote five or ten books about it, you would become just as well-known as him.

I’m new to the whole philosophy thing too! I’m actually sitting here reading my first book by Nietzsche. The AntiChrist. While reading, I’ve sat back and said “Holy Fuck!” maybe like 5 times so far. I wonder if everyone that reads his works sits back and says the same things that I do.

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Where is he inconsistent? You have to understand that many of the claims to inconsistency are using the nachlass as if it were the final say on his philosophy.

Note that Nietzsche’s Antichrist is meant for those who have understood his Zarathustra (see the preface).

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What do you mean, Nihilistic? It is common knowledge that Nietzsche was inconsistent, so it must be true!

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There’s a TON of stuff I think Nietschze got right, I just don’t believe that Nietzsche successfully refuted a very common sense notion of what it is to be evil. And that intiutive notion has nothing to do with metaphysics or epistemology. It is merely experiential.

I admire Nietzsche… more than I admire blind partisans of Nietzsche…

So what is this common sense notion of evil? In XXL1337baller’s How can people possibly believe in this “free will” thread, you wrote, in a post I didn’t deem worthy of a reply due to your most banal assertions about Nietzsche’s supposed “getting laid” and contracting syphilis;

There is no such thing as “evil”.

You continued:

I cannot tell you in all honesty that I would survive that incident, dust myself off, and still say or think there is no such thing as evil: I might be so traumatised by the incident that my mind had become so warped as to think those guys were “evil”.

Attachment to things - for instance to living things like one’s wife, one’s children, or one’s parents - may well arouse sorrow if one is separated from these things, which sorrow may in turn arouse anger. This anger may then overcome one’s clarity of mind, deluding one to think that those guys are “evil” and “deserve” to be punished. And yet neither they nor their deeds are evil in themselves (inherently evil); evil still only exists in the mind of the - deluded - beholder.

Again, all you are doing is making an assertion that there is no such thing as “evil.” You aren’t supplying us with an argument. But if you’d like to I’d love to consider it and reply.

Should I also supply you with an argument for the non-existence of a winged rabbit?

Obviously, your last post makes absolutely no sense in light of the fact that the existence or coherence of winged rabbits is not a common philosophical topic for a reason. You are just avoiding the issue. Which is fine. I know I’m right and I’m sure most people here don’t agree that your non-argument is a valid argument either.