Dancing with Absurdity
Fred Leavitt argues that our most cherished beliefs are probably wrong.
Not to mention the part where, as children, it is the observations of others that clearly count the most. Indeed, by the time we are able to make our own more autonomous observations as adults – given a free will world – this indoctrination will almost always have become hopelessly entangled in everything we think, feel, say and do.
In fact, imagine if someone were to follow you around filming every interaction – every experience – you had from the cradle to the grave. That way if you are uncertain regarding why you choose the behaviors that you do, you could simply note how your life did unfold existentially as it did…predisposing you to one set of assumptions about moral behavior rather than another.
Yes, we are all born hard-wired to perceive the world around us through our senses. But why must it be what you see and hear and not what others do? And, again, our senses are far, far more reliable in regard to the either/or world.
And yet even in regard to the either/or world…
…not everyone gets it right. But at least truths and falsehoods are able to be more clearly distinguished by mathematicians, physicists, chemists, biologists, logicians, etc… How often do we encounter them dancing with absurdity?
Then there’s—did you correctly interpret those people or even pay attention to their way of responding to the world? Misunderstandings abound for functioning processors…more so for those with a sensory or schematizing … or other related … disorder.
I remember learning/processing/experiencing new things, and how I checked in about interpretation, how I was corrected on fumbling interpretation, how I wondered at who decided on the right interpretation, and so forth. We do a LOT of filling in the HUH?s on our own, because not all our interpretations manifest in correctable behaviors that can be observed by those around us. Moreso if they weren’t around for whatever reason.
So, for various reasons, different parenting styles are more conducive to a child having more freedom of (undeveloped/stunted, sharpened/focused, divergent) interpretation. Distorted…? Fallacious? Compared to what?
May add after I finish reading/interpreting.
Ah, you left off with the “ethicists” cliff-hanger. We should negotiate/revaluate (re)interpretations according to self=other. Cuz A=A, man, but your A+ might be my F-.
Dancing with Absurdity
Fred Leavitt argues that our most cherished beliefs are probably wrong.
Again, what is of particular importance to me here is this: that when it comes to what we see and hear and touch and smell and taste, it is often possible to actually demonstrate it to others. Such that they will see and hear and touch and smell and taste the same thing. No “dancing with absurdity” then.
Indeed. And we live our lives from day to day hardly ever mistrusting our senses.
Nope, the dancing with absurdity part only kicks in [time and again] when we get around to conflicting value judgments.
And we all know how far this can be taken…if only [so far] up on the silver screen:
Pick one:
1] red pill
2] blue pill
But then, even in the either/or world, things can get…complicated?
I don’t know about infinite, but any number of true crime docs reveal just how notorious “eyewitnesses” can be:
“Studies have shown that mistaken eyewitness testimony accounts for about half of all wrongful convictions. Researchers at Ohio State University examined hundreds of wrongful convictions and determined that roughly 52 percent of the errors resulted from eyewitness mistakes.” Constitutional Rights Foundation
And here life and death itself can be at stake.
True enough. But until mere mortals acquire the capacity to become omniscient, there’s no getting around at least trying to make the best of them. And that’s why, in regard to things like crime, eyewitnesses are just one component of any particular case. There is also forensic evidence, circumstantial evidence and [of course] the fact that nowadays there are billions of cameras everywhere.
Dancing with Absurdity
Fred Leavitt argues that our most cherished beliefs are probably wrong.
Also, in my view, even in regard to our own feelings and intentions, what we imagine is true about our moral and political convictions are instead merely reflections of dasein. In particular, the manner in which the Benjamin Button Syndrome all but insures that there will be any number of variables in our life – crucial variables – that we only have so much understanding and control over.
Pick one:
1] genes
2] memes
3] a hopelessly complex and convoluted intertwining of both
Note to the Kantians here:
You might want to rethink your own moral philosophy.
Now back to my point…
Or, in being fractured and fragmented, you can’t quite anchor your self to an objective truth that may well not even exist. If only in regard to value judgments.
Here, of course, the reality of capitalism as a political economy comes into play. When, for many, everything revolves around “me, myself and I”, almost anything can be rationalized to further your own aims.
Dancing with Absurdity
Fred Leavitt argues that our most cherished beliefs are probably wrong.
That’s why it’s all the more important, in my view, for philosophers and scientists – working in tandem where possible – to note that crucial distinction between wrong information that can in fact be corrected [in the either/or world] and information that is deemed wrong given the fact that [in the is/ought world] it is interpreted by different people given further the manner in which dasein predisposes all of us to accept one set of premises regarding human interactions rather than another.
This part:
And on and on and on given all of the different ways we can distinguish ourselves from others.
Okay, but how far back are you willing to go? Clearly, some observations encompass realities that appear considerably closer to revealing an underlying truth than others. If for example the observations are derived from mathematics or physics or chemistry or biology or one of the other “hard sciences”, it allows us to communicate them in a manner that most of us would construe to be the “objective truth”. It’s just that, say, given Hume’s distinction between correlation and cause and effect, the further back we go in grappling with the existence of existence itself the more ineffable reality becomes.
Cue the philosophers…
On the other hand, one of them had God to fall back on in order to tie everything together ontologically and teleologically.
Dancing with Absurdity
Fred Leavitt argues that our most cherished beliefs are probably wrong.
In other words, way back then why not attribute what you don’t understand to “the Gods”? After all, it wasn’t like there actually were scientists around then to explain things better. Now, of course, that isn’t an option. On the other hand, science doesn’t have the option to provide us with objective morality. Let alone immortality and salvation.
“Certain knowledge” there is still the domain of a God, the God. Of religion. “Certain knowledge” in the sense that if you claim to know something is certain about them, that actually counts as “proof” among the various flocks of sheep.
And why wouldn’t it be? With science comes the capacity to demonstrate that what you claim to know about something is in fact objectively true for all of us. And isn’t that why, by and large, science steers clear of the is/ought world…of God and religion?
That certainly seems reasonable to me.
Folks like them delved into those aspects of the human condition that precipitate all of the drama in our lives. The parts we cannot seem to pin down because there is no equivalent of the scientific method in regard to value judgments. People claim to believe all sorts of completely contradictory things about “good” and “evil”. And since no one side has access to “natural laws” there, merely the belief itself need be as far as they go.
Still…
That’s not the point though, is it? With science, one way or another, the objective truth is within reach. It has to actually be in sync with the laws of nature. Darwin’s theory of evolution may or may not reflect the whole truth regarding biological life here on planet Earth. But it starts with the assumption there is a whole truth that can be grasped regarding why we exist at all.
Dancing with Absurdity
Fred Leavitt argues that our most cherished beliefs are probably wrong.
Come on, what theory in regard to what carefully specified conditions resulting in what outcome?
After all, in regard to the either/or world, how often is science “dancing with absurdity?”
And it’s not for nothing that many – most – scientists tend to steer clear of conflicting goods. For instance, there are those scientists employed by NASA to sustain the space program. But how many of them become preoccupied with whether it is moral to spend billions on space exploration when there are so many programs that money could be spent on to ease human suffering right down here on Earth?
More to the point [mine] once this all shifts away from unicorns into the realm of value judgements, how exactly would ethicists go about creating and then sustaining “carefully specified conditions” in regard to, say, the morality of abortion?
In other words, something that is not in the least bit theoretical.
Dancing with Absurdity
Fred Leavitt argues that our most cherished beliefs are probably wrong.
Of course, in exploring probability here the example given is something from the either/or world. You roll the dice and it is what it is. The laws of physics take over, the dice tumble about and either two sixes is the result or it’s not. Providing there is no cheating going on. But what is the probability that you can throw the dice and double sixes come up 10 times in a row. Or a hundred times in row? You can’t completely rule it out…or can you?
Again, though, the neighbor either is or is not one of these things. We only “dance with absurdity” when the discussion shifts to whether the neighbor ought to be any of those things. Is it rational or irrational, moral or immoral to be one of them?
Try this…
Spend a few months watching true crime docs like Dateline. Over and again people like you and I are stunned to discover what those they loved are capable of. But, again, people are what they are. The quandaries always revolve instead around why they became that way and why and how, from their own frame of mind, they are able to justify what they do. It doesn’t seem absurd at all to them.
Dancing with Absurdity
Fred Leavitt argues that our most cherished beliefs are probably wrong.
Now, when you try to factor your own life into all of this, how can you not experience a feeling of “dancing with absurdity”? And even when you include all the rest of us in order to encompass the “human condition” itself, how is that to be understand given, say, the existence of a multiverse?
Go out far enough and…
And, of course, what you “conceive” about the universe may bear absolutely no resemblance at all to what it really is. With or without God. Some perspectives here are just considerably more improbable than others.
That’s my point as well. Objectivism being a manifestation of human psychology far, far more than encompassing a philosophical assessment. It’s just that we do live in a world where any number of things can be grasped and then communicated as essential truths applicable to all of us.
Symbolism, Meaning & Nihilism in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction
Mark Conard reveals the metaphysical truths lurking under the rug in Tarantino’s cult classic.
Back again to the distinction between essential value and meaning and existential value and meaning. One way or another our experiences and our relationships with others have value and meaning. Where things can become increasingly more problematic, however, is when, given a particular context, we attempt to communicate that value and meaning to others. In some situations the attempts are all but effortless. And in others all but hopeless.
And for many, of course, that comes down to God and religion.
On the contrary, there lots and lots and lots of “guiding forces” available to choose from for mere mortals in a No God world. One of these…
Or “think up” a new one. After all, if you can convince yourself that it’s essentially valuable and meaningful that need be as far as it goes. And, besides, it’s not like the “scientific revolution” is applicable when it comes to morality, immortality and salvation.
Well, we don’t call it “pulp fiction”…
“…books about imaginary characters and events, produced in large quantities and intended to be read by many people but not considered to be of very good quality…” cambridge dictionary
…for nothing.
It’s just that some of the books become pulp movies.
Then the part where each of us will react to Quentin Tarantino’s film given what I construe to be the existential parameters of dasein. We take out of the film what we first bring into it: our own moral and political prejudices, our own philosophy of life. The characters in the film are simply “larger than life” in the sense that most of us live lives far, far removed from that of gangsters.
Symbolism, Meaning & Nihilism in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction
Mark Conard reveals the metaphysical truths lurking under the rug in Tarantino’s cult classic.
Still, as others grasp nihilism, any transformation from one frame of mind to another [morally and politically and trivially] is essentially interchangeable. It’s the moral and political and trivial prejudices rooted existentially in dasein and the Benjamin Button Syndrome themselves that come to play the crucial role here. To argue that these transformations are for the better or for the worse is no less problematic in a No God world.
Then the reality of sociopathic personalities come into play in turn. Those in the film who do what they do because [as narcissists] doing only what they want to do is the center of the moral universe as far as they are concerned. Might makes right. End of story.
Then this part…
In other words, we life in a world where, increasingly, pop culture, mindless consumption and the worship of celebrity become the main focus for millions. They are less interested in how the world is unfolding morally and politically and more intrigued with how Taylor and Travis will turn out, or who wins what on countless reality and game shows.
The “bread and circuses syndrome” let’s call it.
The postmodern/late capitalist world of “lifestyles”. Being a gangster is merely that which, existentially, your own uniquely personal experiences have led you to. And, more to the point [mine], the last place you’ll turn to for explanations is…a philosophy forum? Pop culture and all the things that, in being a “goodfellow”, money can buy need be as far as you go…teleologically?
Symbolism, Meaning & Nihilism in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction
Mark Conard reveals the metaphysical truths lurking under the rug in Tarantino’s cult classic.
Jules and Vincent. Vicious, amoral gangsters. Marsellus Wallace’s bought and paid for thugs…quoting the Bible? Even if only Tarantino’s spin on it.
On the other hand, Ezekiel is from the Old Testamnet. And there, God is pretty much a gangster Himself.
The context…
Okay, so what’s the point in spouting it? An exercise in irony? But, given just how appalling the modern world we live in can be – anything goes? – making this contrast is clearly something that lots and lots of movies, books, music and the arts get around to.
So, if not God and religion…then what?
Only now he is convinced he was miraculously saved and has decided to quit the business. Not that he still won’t be a “bad motherfucker”.
As for how others here connect the dots between thugs, gangsters, religion and nihilism, well, probably not the same way that I do.
Symbolism, Meaning & Nihilism in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction
Mark Conard reveals the metaphysical truths lurking under the rug in Tarantino’s cult classic.
Sociopaths let’s call them. More or less powerful, they can make the lives of others living hells. And that’s because in one sense they actually do have foundations for their own value judgments: me, myself and I.
Though some of them will subordinate their own lives to those who are all that more powerful still…
Ultimately however it’s all about the Benjamins. Money becomes the center of the universe for gangsters because we live in a world where money basically is the center of the universe. A world in which it matters far, far more that you have the money than in how you came to get it. In that way, money begets nihilism in a world where nihilism itself revolves more around means than ends.
And for the moral majority the whole point is to never get between that briefcase and Marcellus. And that’s because for those like him, being reasonable is not an option. They may construe their own lives self-consciously as nihilistic, but for most of them philosophy has nothing to do with it. It’s all about might makes right.
Think Henry Kissinger and the Bilderberg “gangsters”.
On the other hand, for some, having an “objective framework of value and meaning in their lives” can become just as disastrous for others. Think Adolph Hitler and the Nazis, for example. Or think the religious fanatics slaughtering thousands of innocent men, women and children in Israel and the Gaza Strip. The “actions” that they justify.
Symbolism, Meaning & Nihilism in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction
Mark Conard reveals the metaphysical truths lurking under the rug in Tarantino’s cult classic.
What particular language used to describe or articulate or encompass what particular set of circumstances? After all, words that do reflect an objective reality applicable to us all encompass any number of things [interactions/relationships] that transcend mere subjective opinions. It’s not like ordering a quarter-pounder in France is going to spark an international incident. Nihilism, for all practical purposes, is moot in regard to any number of things that are named. Sure, with different languages there may well be any number of communication breakdowns; but that doesn’t make the Royale with Cheese any less a quarter-pounder.
Well, if that is in fact how Quentin Tarantino himself intended the dialogue to be understood here. With gangsters however everything here revolves around might makes right. Marcellus gets to name things that Jules and Vincent and Butch are expected to abide by. Then Jules and Vicent get to name things that all of their own lackies are expected to abide by. Butch rejects the name game given to the fight by Marcellus but then through sheer luck [the script] they square things after their run in with a couple of other amoral sociopaths.
Of course, here, the script is what it is. For you and I, on the other hand, our own experiences with those able to enforce their own rendition of might makes right may not unfold at all as we’d like it to.
Symbolism, Meaning & Nihilism in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction
Mark Conard reveals the metaphysical truths lurking under the rug in Tarantino’s cult classic.
Or, perhaps, even more so…Reservoir Dogs? But [in both films] I doubt the main characters involved would have gotten around to that very often. Instead, being sociopaths, morality was likely to be construed by them as entirely narcissistic. Maybe some of them would rationalize their behavior as more in sync with Nietzsche’s Übermensch. They boldly exercised their own will to power over the spineless Last Men?
Yes, and, here and now, that nature is said to revolve around any number of conflicting assessments:
And to what extent did Aristotle make a distinction between the either/or and the is/ought world? Between might makes right, right makes might and moderation, negotiation and compromise?
And then the part where he explains the nature of slavery and the nature of women. And how a God/the God or “the Gods” fit into or did not fit into it all.
Then [of course] the dictates of Reason…
Okay, you embrace Aristotle’s frame of mind here. So, given a moral conflagration of note, let’s explore the capacity of mere mortals to reason their way to the optimal “golden mean” resolution. Whose rendition of the “highest good”?
Then back to the sociopaths…
And if you were assigned the task of coming up with a philosophical argument most likely to bring these thugs over to the “good guys” side – the side of the angels? – what would it be?
Symbolism, Meaning & Nihilism in Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction
Mark Conard reveals the metaphysical truths lurking under the rug in Tarantino’s cult classic.
Yes, that’s how it often works, alright. You go about the business of living your life. Day in and day out, week in and week out, month in and month out, year in and year out. As a gangster or not. Then out of the blue an experience unfolds that causes you to question things…to ponder really important assumptions that you had taken for granted.
On the other hand, different folks might come to conclude very different things are missing from their lives. And what they find to give their life new meaning may precipitate behaviors that precipitate calamitous consequences for others who get in the way of this new…meaning?
And suppose it had been Vincent instead. He finds himself born again only to be blown away by Butch.
Right.
And, for him, this new framework is…Christianity? As though it might not have been one of the many other One True Paths to enlightenment. My point always being that it matters less what the “objective framework of value and meaning” actually is – God or No God – and more that you find one in which to anchor your own True Self in The Right Thing To Do.
Okay, now imagine yourself in that restaurant hearing those words from Jules…given the life that you’ve lived and the meaning that you and others have come to sustain “in your head” for what could literally have been decades. In other words, you have your own Capital Letter words that you insist must be grasped as you grasp them. And if they don’t coincide with Marcellus, with Jules…with Tarantino?
Nihilism & Philosophy by Gideon Barker
Roger Caldwell scrutinises philosophical revolutions.
Unless, of course, he or she is too “fractured and fragmented” to actually accomplish this. Destroying a world is one thing, suggesting something to put in its place another thing altogether. Nietzsche proposed the Übermensch exercising his “will to power” in a No God world. Whereas nihilists of my ilk are not able even to yank themselves up out of their own essentially meaningless and purposeless existence. Instead, they wait patiently [or impatiently] for godot, accumulating “distractions” and embracing a “whatever works” “philosophy of life”.
Still, the nihilist is no less confronted with the exasperating dilemma that revolves around connecting the dots between words and worlds. Nihilism…theoretically?
Okay, the old world is dismantled. Then what?
To wit…
My point then being that each of us, given what can be very, very different lives, will come to accumulate our own rooted existentially in dasein antidote to chaos. One or another “my way or the highway” objectivist dogma that is then challenged by all of the other “my way or the highway” dogmatists.
I don’t think it is a coincidence that around the globe today, authoritarians are on the march. More or less fascist in orientation. For example, the yearning to “make America great again” by taking the country back to the 1950s. Anything to keep those who are “one of them” – the wrong color, the wrong gender, the wrong sexual orientation, the wrong religion – marginalized.
It’s just that some don’t/won’t stop there. They have their own rendition of “the final solution”.