Objectification of women by men ~ is abusive?

[Kriswest]

@Amorphos

Kriswest

I don’t think we are men or women, i think consciousnesses are the same. The body isn’t though, except for worms etc. Imho we cant ignore traits based in our sex, but if they will dominate us if we don’t understand them ~ which isn’t to dismiss them. To me such traits are as changeable as putting a dress or trousers on, the problem is perhaps where we let the world dress us up instead of taking control.

It all comes down to mental strength doesn’t it?

It does plus genetics and of course the upbringing. The upbringing tends to override so much of the true nature.

[ended6]

Don’t worry guys, I’ve solved the problem…I discovered it in this old movie…

youtube.com/watch?v=jae38H1_j-E

[Amorphos]

^^
yea but why do both! …have the virtual coupled with the actual, why wouldn’t people do that? + I don’t think there is such a thing as ‘sexual energy’, so the philosophy of the films basis is thus flunked.

[ended6]

Well it obviously doesnt apply to no libido asexuals like you…it does however apply to us humans…

[omar]

@Kriswest

“The causal root of the issue is societal and in the way we treat one another rather than to objectify one another”
Change treat to react. Reaction is a causal, not the only root though. Treating is not the only root.
I do have issue with people declaring a gender does this or that. Its a bit impossible to actually know. Look at how people get this “information” , TV, Media, casual conversation, vague studies designed to sell. To actually get a full picture, well over half the gender must be studied and followed. We are a bit more socially diverse then other animals . Women are this way men are that way. Bull. You buy into propaganda if you fall into this.
Unless the younger generations are finally falling for the molds. Possible, interesting thought and study.

Hello Kris
Actually statistics can be authoritative well below that threshold. Of course “There are lies, damn lies and statistics”, so everything with a grain of salt.
That said I think that objectification was practiced with women (and still goes on in some countries) for a long time creating a social norm. Even in our egalitarian society which values gender equality there still is a willful continuation of a pattern that owes its existence in part to the objectification of women.
What once was suffered has been embraced

[Ecmandu]

@omar

@Kriswest

“The causal root of the issue is societal and in the way we treat one another rather than to objectify one another”
Change treat to react. Reaction is a causal, not the only root though. Treating is not the only root.
I do have issue with people declaring a gender does this or that. Its a bit impossible to actually know. Look at how people get this “information” , TV, Media, casual conversation, vague studies designed to sell. To actually get a full picture, well over half the gender must be studied and followed. We are a bit more socially diverse then other animals . Women are this way men are that way. Bull. You buy into propaganda if you fall into this.
Unless the younger generations are finally falling for the molds. Possible, interesting thought and study.

Hello Kris
Actually statistics can be authoritative well below that threshold. Of course “There are lies, damn lies and statistics”, so everything with a grain of salt.
That said I think that objectification was practiced with women (and still goes on in some countries) for a long time creating a social norm. Even in our egalitarian society which values gender equality there still is a willful continuation of a pattern that owes its existence in part to the objectification of women.
What once was suffered has been embraced

I just wanted to say how remarkably well said this was. Thx Omar. That last line is classic.