What we “all agree on” is not an actual “truth” but a symbol that we collectively grab onto and fight to the death for.
A flag or a cross are objective in the sense that everyone see’s them as the material shape and form they have taken on. But what one emotionally and psychologically puts into these objects/simbols is entirely subjective. The value of these symbols are subjective, and the value is what is most important/what relates to and influences reality most effortessly.
Basically, we all know what a circle looks like. But for some a circle might trigger evil subconsious naratives while with another it might bring about periods of Nirvana.
Any misunderstanding of what I’m saying or an arguement against what I am saying is further proof of this. A fact is a fact if we all habitually agree to it.
Values and symbols are not what makes penicillin kill bacteria, or petrol ignition drive an automobile. I’m not entirely sure what your point is - values are subjective but important, therefore objective?
This is nonsense, and arguing in bad faith. If you’re not interested in counter-arguments, I can put this in the Rant House.
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This seems like a “beetle in the box” type arg. no?
Hmmm…
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So Pi and the pythargorean thereom, abstract ideas, are not “true” because they are not objective truths, due to our crude measuring devices and a world of flux that will never give us plus or minus nothing when trying to measure what looks like a rectilinear triangle?
On another hand, I think you are right on a sociological level. When it comes to creating names to what we see we begin a kind of language game that Wittgenstein talks about.
Emotional and psychologically what we put into objects and symbols are subjective. They come from a first person perspective which is the problem with science. Science requires a 3rd person perspective, it only identifies what is extrinsic. Example: Mind-brain Explanatory Gap.
But when you say the “value” of these symbols, do you mean quantitatively or qualitatively?
My arguments (or unclarities) are in the first part of my response.