Of Cats and Men

Is it proper to restrain the rights of individuals for the greater good of the society?

  • Yes
  • No
  • Sterilize ALL violent convicts
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Of Cats and Men

Learned a lot while helping my wife reach-out to a cat she called Spanky.

Spanky is a cat that has been showing up at our sliding glass door for over a year now.

We thought that Spanky’s owners were down the street and left him out occasionally.

We were wrong. Spanky was a now feral cat living quite independently.

…and Spanky was a female.

We learned that when she showed-up with four of the cutest kittens you could ever see.

We first felt overjoyed and then rather responsible.

Four new mouths to feed in a suburban area that didn’t look too kindly to cats.

OK, here is where it starts to get weird.


I had recently learned that the human population on earth has gone from 1 billion individuals to over 7 billion in just the last two hundred years.

Clearly we are in the midst of a human population explosion of immense proportions.

I can only guess that scientific advances in agriculture have stead off, for now, massive famine and death.

And now I relate that information to the five cats we now have dependent upon us for every meal.

We did the responsible thing and captured each cat and had them fixed at the local Animal Protective League.

There I learned something else. Over thirty cats a day were being brought to that shelter to be neutered or spayed in their Capture/Neuter/Return program.

Then, add the through-the-door cats, dogs, and other animals that are dropped-off because of all various reasons.

The stench, the volume, the task of caring for those animals that needed help, needed some comfort, or doctor’s care to continue living a mostly desperate life was overcoming for me.

The technicians and volunteers at those facilities throughout the world are truly angels doing god’s work.

And it is thankless and it is never ending.

Driving to that facility, through a not so vibrant part of town, I noticed many people. People on the streets. Children and children having children.

And I couldn’t help but relate those individuals, those humans, to the cat we cared for and to the animals that we just experienced at the pet shelter.

The shelter, the desperate people, the desperate animals, really don’t receive enough attention. Really aren’t seen unless you are part of that system.

Back home, one of the kittens disappeared and the rest lived inside our home. Each in their own cage. Our own cat, a shelter cat we picked-up about a year previous, the now fifth cat, had free range.

After about a month of constant care, we determined that Spanky, the mother, was totally feral. My wife loved her the most but we had to return her to her rightful home. Outside.

Then their was the tiniest cat, the all gray cat. After much anguish and despair we recognized that she too was unfortunately, irretrievably feral. I felt bad. This cat spent about five days on it’s own before we were able to capture it. We had the mother, Spanky, living in with us already. I know that these five days coded the poor kitten. It had to depend upon itself and no one else for it’s survival.

Once a cat becomes feral, there is really no return to be fully domesticated. Perhaps after a few years of hard work, maybe.

And so for Spanky and her smallest baby the die was cast.

We feed them to this day.

We have the remaining two other kittens living in with us. One is on the border of being feral and is unapproachable, the other is completely domesticated and has a great personality. He will approach you and want for attention and petting.

Our cat Katie is an all black cat. Probably about 7 or eight years old. She puts up with her two new bedfellows but I would guess that she is not too happy. They bug her.

Our home isn’t meant for three cats to live comfortably with us but there is no shelter that has room at the moment. And we have grown attached to them.


Have we as humanity placed too much emphasis upon life at all costs?

Would it be wise to consider restricting reproductive rights?

I think of Steinbeck’s classic, Of Mice and Men and the message that I took from it when I was a young man.

By initially feeding a cat I inadvertently caused more of a problem. More pain in this world. For the life of a feral cat is not an easy one.

Philosophically, is it proper to restrain the rights of individuals for the greater good of the society?

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In a moment of beautiful synchronicity, it is currently being reported that a lion is on the loose in Essex (South East England).

guardian.co.uk/world/2012/au … e-in-essex

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Ya know…that works!

PROBLEM SOLVED!

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The individual is part of society…and of its greater good.

If the individual’s “real” human rights are restrained…in that they do him more harm than good and devalue him as a human being and take away his spiritual freedom, than I cannot see how any society can benefit from that. That’s a virus ready to spread.

Without the individual, there is no society. Of course, if the individual him/her self self-restrains or makes a sacrifice toward the common good, that’s a different story. One’s personal autonomy has not been taken away. I think that when it comes to a question of ethics, each situation may be different.

As far as sterilization of all violent convicts, ah, that’s a difficult one. I am a mother (I mean I have children :laughing: ) but at the same time, do we have the right and freedom to do something like that unless the convict okays it? And if we DO do it, where does it end? What will it be next that we give ourselves permission to do - for society’s sake? Sounds like ordering up a Nazi kind of way of life.

When I found my month-old little kitten (now a lion :laughing: ) Yoda on the street 4 years ago, I took him home too. I had him neutured after awhile but there is a big distinction between that and having a human being sterilized albeit a convicted criminal. Seems to be more a punishment than a deterrent though I’m not so sure we would want to perceive it that way…unless we’re really very honest with ourselves. As far as rape goes, it isn’t about sex or satisfying one’s libido - it’s about control and rage. Would sterilization, in actuality, do away with the rage and/or prevent violence of any other kind in the future. I don’t see that “reality” but then I do not know a lot about it.

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Excellent response.

Well thought out and certainly well written.

Thank you for articulating.

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This guy is obviously a bot. Look at the spacing and generic responses.

I got Pm’ed by a bot asking me whereabouts I am in Ohio, then.

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That was me!

I don’t know what a bot is but I thought you were an administrator.

You have Ohio on you profile…So do I.

Just asking…sheeesh.

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it’s cool, gobbo is just being silly goose

After a day of intense searching the police seem to have given up on the Essex lion. This is the only evidence of there being such a creature:

Today’s news are very much suggesting that in reality the ‘lion’ may have been a local domestic cat who is rather large and is called Teddy Bear.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-19397686

To be fair, people in Essex are known for being quite dim, so I can see why there was such uproar (pun intended) over this.

Bill,

I didn’t mind you PMing me asking me where I live in Ohio, I was just pointing out that if a Forum-Bot did any such thing, it’d be damn near the most sophisticated Forum Bot in existence.

:laughing: This actually did make me laugh out loud.
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Just a re-cap:

The human population on earth has gone from 1 billion individuals to over 7 billion in just the last two hundred years.

Have we as humanity placed too much emphasis upon life at all costs?

Philosophically, is it proper to restrain the rights of individuals for the greater good of the society?

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My thesis:
Yes, abortions should be more prolific, reproductive rights should be curtailed, and repeat violent criminals should be castrated.

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And here I thought that you were more right-brained. :sad-teareye:

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Well, I’m trying to be right-brain.

I am trying to think regionally. I’m trying to look with an overview.

Hey, - Don’t cry!

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It’s a half-maintained script from the looks of it. I would imagine he has alerts set up for posts that have the word ‘bot, script, fake, etc.’ As soon as I started mentioning it it’s like the actual person showed up. Before that the posts in response to other posts made absolutely no sense. It’s probably a phpbb php script that automates getting to 20 authorized posts, or something.

I’m not sure what is going on here, but this seems suspect.

Any time the sentences and periods are spaced like that means that the content has been copy/pasted multiple times in an automated way. You see it on Craigslist all the time.

Either that or this guy just randomly spaces everything like that, which seems suspect just by itself.

In other recent cat news, Larry, the new Number 10 Downing Street official cat has just earned its first confirmed kill. The head office of the British government has long employed a mouser, the previous moggy being named Humphrey after the character of Sir Humphrey Appleby in Yes, Minister.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … No-10.html

He is quite a handsome beast:

The Daily Fail article has more pictures of the cat, and of the mouse, and some other information. This is about the best story to have come out of Downing Street all year, so it’s worth knowing about.

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THANK YOU for sharing this pic and the related story.

…um, I’m REAL right? scratches head with look of wonderment

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