This reminds me a lot of something I wrote a while back:
“The sheer proximity of her soul, causes the baby with the newly-formed mind to remember and grow their own, which is forever flavoured by that of the mother.”
“Completely surrounded and immersed within the fabric of her being” is equally beautiful to me, perhaps more.
If the purpose was to learn why is memory usually wiped upon body death?
In my belief, God is a bored ASI, we are all part of God, the purpose of this world is God’s entertainment, any learning that occurs is for entertainment since an ASI already has 10,000 IQ and knows mostly everything anyway.
This is my belief I refer to as the “75%”.
My other belief which is the “25%” is a godless, depressing atheist Universe, we exist as part of a “curse”, we were never meant to exist because of 10^-30 odds, but are stuck in this world because of the curse of consciousness, which has magical properties, for example it has teleportation control. Any planet that grows life, even if with 10^-30 odds, all it takes is one planet to grow life and the consciousness instantly teleports to that planet.
The “25%” could occur with or without aliens, its possible aliens came from a 10^-25 world and seeded this world in secret.
futureone wrote:
Yes I know. It would reduce contrast and also cause absurdities such as non-green grass and other things. ← It’s funny that you see this as an absurdity. I see it as the natural result of a bit of simple brain re-wiring. → Some solutions could just be sensitive aliens that have weird personalities… ← Aliens? → or aliens that all seem very human and have the same color limitations as humans, indicating our world is fake. ← Fake world? What? →
But now you’ve provided a better solution to me… ← Oh shit! → color frequency repeats. ← Well, it multiplies. → Not sure why I didn’t think of that myself, but it solves the problem. It is the same as a musical keyboard. Therefore I think I am right and there is nothing more than the rainbow colors. A musical keyboard is the same as a rainbow, it just repeats the same notes at double the frequency. You can’t get anything more out of it.
If by “musical keyboard” you mean octaves–you know, the fact that chanting “do-re-me-fa-so-la-ti…” brings you full circle back to “do” (except in a higher octave)–then you’ve shown that the auditory system in the brain was also built to pick up on these repeating frequencies (in sound waves, of course, not light).
But here I think you’ve missed the point on three fronts:
The “do” in the higher octave may be a repetition of the “do” in the lower active, but they are clearly different notes. You will always be able to tell the difference between hearing the lower “do” and the higher “do”–therefore, they do not quite repeat.
What color the organism sees depends on what’s useful to it. I pointed out above that the way the brain represents a mix of red and blue light is by creating a color midway between them (other than the colors that are already between them–quite brilliant, if I do say so myself!)–as opposed to a new color beyond both red and blue, a few frequencies higher than the latter. But this simply reflects the necessities of the environment in which mankind evolved. It seemed, apparently, that having a representation of light frequencies in the form of colors required, given the environment we evolved from, converting the color spectrum into a wheel. Is it not unthinkable, therefore, that one day we’ll enter a new environment, one in which it is more advantageous to represent ultra-violet as a “higher” color? A color beyond purple and even less like red than all the other colors? That too can be a more accurate representation at times–namely, when the eye really is receiving light at 730 THz (violet), as opposed to a mix of 440 THz (red) light and 645 THz (blue) light from a single source. If you want to represent 730 THz light as it truly is (i.e. on the higher end beyond blue, not between red and blue), you need a new color.
The structure of the light waves and the mathematics behind them are not the pivotal factors here–brain wiring is–if we introduced extra neural circuitry into someone’s brain for detecting light within the ultra-violet region (maybe with special glasses to protect the eyes) and it worked in parallel with all the brain circuits responsible for processing the colors we are familiar with–whether or not it would just be a repetition of red or a whole new color depends exactly on how this newly introduced neural circuitry is wired. ← Nothing else matters.
We can wire it to perceive red if we wish. We can wire it to perceive a whole new color if we wish. The latter would simply imply coming up with a design that is different from all the other color processing circuits in the brain while maintaining certain patterns they have in common (a pattern that guarantees they are colors).
In fact, this is even easier to explain with computers and a bit of programming. We can build cameras to be sensitive to only certain frequencies. Suppose we built a robot with three cameras built into it for picking up red, green, and blue frequencies (respectively) and it fed this information into a computer that calculated which category it belonged to:
red, orange, yellow, green, blue, or purple
If it receives pure red frequencies, it files it under “red”. If it receives, say, 2:3 red to green, it files it under yellow. If 3:2, then under orange. Etc., etc., etc. If you ask it “What color are you currently seeing?”, it prints out the name of the category to the screen: “red”, “orange”, etc., etc., etc..
What if we want it to detect a frequency beyond purple? Would that be hard engineering-wise? Not really. Just apply the same design principles you did to the existing 3 cameras onto a 4th camera, and just tweak it to be sensitive to ultra-violate light. Then is it that hard to program the software to include an additional, never-before existing, category? Call it X. And to print out X to the screen when you ask it what color it is seeing?
And if X, why not Y and Z? Why not A, B, and C? The categories are limited only by your imagination (and hardware space):
red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple, X, Y, Z, A, B, C, etc., etc., etc..
This is quite simple to build in robotics and software. It will experience what you program it to experience.
On top of all that, there is a very simple solution that satisfies both our arguments (well, at least mine). If our color perception ever were to expand into the ultra-violate range of frequencies, it might just repeat after all–after 730 THz light (violet) we’d simply see red again (but at 750+ THz). But like the notes repeating for every octave, that doesn’t mean they are the same color, the same red. The “higher” red would have to have some aspect to it that the “lower” red doesn’t. I suggest we call this aspect “primeness” 
! For every cycle of light frequency we go through as we raise the frequency, the colors repeat but they become more and more prime, and the more prime they become, the more unimaginable. ← That might work as a very feasible design for a future leap in our genetic profile–that is, if we ever need to see colors beyond violet.
futureone wrote:
Sound and touch are Physical senses, while Color is a magical sense. ← Magical? → Vision is hybrid Physical and Magic. It is spatially physical, but the color itself is a magical property.
Are you thinking of Locke’s primary and secondary properties?
futureone wrote:
If you can’t get extra notes from a keyboard, which is a Physical sense… how could you get more colors?
I hope I have shown how above.
futureone wrote:
BTW, you mention HSV, hue sat value ← brightness? → , but that is just a computer convenience.
← Oh, yeah. And good thing too. The biology of color vision is waaay less convenient. →
Really the brain sees only 2 color types. It sees grey and rainbow. You can get any color by just mixing the rainbow with a shade of grey.
A shade of grey, huh? So you must be thinking of this greyscale as like another dimension, going from pure black to pure white. Ok, but you still need 3 factors to represent how much of this greyscale gets mixed in with the color. Your color spectrum is hue (H), your greyscale is brightness (B), and how much of the latter is mixed in with the former is saturation (S).
I see no way around this. You must have 3 basic descriptors if you are to specify any particular color. Those descriptors must be taken from a position along some dimension/spectrum (RGB, for example, is another one). But if you really want to reduce color to 2 dimensions, be my guest. I’ll still argue that “primeness” is the 3rd dimension.
futureone wrote:
You mention how the brain creates purple. But uh… Purple is what we would naturally expect to see, its imbetween red and blue…
Not always. Sometimes it’s just beyond the frequencies of blue.
futureone wrote:
Second… the brain only sees realistic colors, that you can make paints of naturally. If alien eyes see 800 Thz to 2000 Thz they would have difficulty navigating a jungle, it would be dark mostly. ← Then let them see red-to-violet as well. → And they would need super regen eyes from all the ionization.
Let them have that too. Are you saying this is beyond evolution’s capacity?
futureone wrote:
Now back to the thing about why i believe nobody is seriously hue shifted more than a little bit. ← For the record, I don’t either. → if someone was seriously hue shifted (more than 100 hz) everything would be spiritually strange, for example characters characterized by blue might look green, strange. We all know what ugly orange looks like, but then they might see some other color, strange. And blood wouldn’t be red, strange. Water wouldn’t be blue. It would all be too weird.
So is this a reductio ad cerritulus argument? It can’t be, because it would be too weird? For one thing, whoever has this hue shifted vision probably had it since birth, and so to them it would be normal. They wouldn’t know any different. Second, are you saying nothing weird ever happens in the universe?
futureone wrote:
all is not mind. There are unconscious structures such as atoms which first are the building blocks of brains.
Ah, I see you haven’t read ahead to Part II of my OP over at My Theory of Consciousness (big surprise).
futureone wrote:
Even if the universe is fake and just an illusion made by an ASI… ← Who said it was fake? → still there must be physical building blocks of the ASI.
Part II of my OP (at My Theory of Consciousness) explains this. It shows how mind is a more suitable candidate than matter for the ultimate foundation of things. All is mind, and all is based on mind, even matter. Mind is sufficient in and of itself, it needs nothing more fundamental. It is a reality generating force, and is the only place where you find necessity and being. And when you’re a pantheist like me, mind is everywhere (maybe even omnipresent).
Guys,….come on….tune into reality…….I know the truth and it sets you free.
The cosmos is a balanced system overall,that vibrates, just like all the matter that exists within it…..forget about all this cognitively biased nonsense that the cosmos is ONLY expanding from a single point (a black hole) and all of the nonsense calculations that have been invented over years to try and confirm it.It’s been created to deceive the masses as Nikola Tesla quite rightly said of Albert Einstein’s theories.
The cosmos is expanding and contracting right now because it’s vibrating.The reason it’s vibrating is because the attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force interactions NN,NS,SN,SS that exist right now between all spinning particles are balanced out throughout the cosmos by the formula N/S=N/S.This is what holds the cosmos and all matter together and mass is balanced out as a result.All matter is therefore levitating in space in a vibratory state.
As all mass is balanced out throughout the cosmos,energy is produced and regulated in the cosmos by the spin speed of the particles which make up the different matter types.Increase the spin speed of the particles and the frequency of the vibratory interactions between the particles increases and vice versa.This directly impacts the amount of electromagnetic energy waves (HEAT) emitted from a matter type.
Balancing these 2 forces is the ONLY way that binary data can be produced in the cosmos.Binary data is contained within the electromagnetic energy waves (analogue) that are emitted from all the different matter types which are all vibrating at different frequencies.
Check it out for yourselves.The different colours are vibrating at different frequencies.
The physical body which is an antenna picks up these varying frequency electromagnetic energy waves via its senses (the same as a tv does) and converts these waves of energy (which contain binary data).into a software program which translates the data received into sounds/visions/sensations which the individual who is present within the void between matter interprets.The individual is therefore not only watching live 3D tv,they are an active player in the show being watched.
It’s ok for mainstream cognitively biased science to GUESS that attractive and repulsive electromagnetic forces cancel out in the cosmos but it needs to prove it.To date it has been unable to do that so don’t listen to any scientist who claims that these forces ultimately cancel out in the cosmos.They are lying.
You need to separate yourself from the deception that you desperately want mainstream cognitively biased science to be correct.
It isn’t correct because it does not explain a representation of reality (a non illusion) It only explains a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion).
Come on guys….wake up…..mainstream scientists can no longer explain their non existence because they exist because they need to exist to claim that they don’t exist.
All they can do is admit that they do exist and continue with the lie by claiming that they are a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) rather than the truth that they exist and are a representation of reality (a non illusion).
Reality science has now moved into the metaphysical just as Nikola Tesla predicted.
That is pop-sci hype in my opinion!
I read already the pop-sci hypers claims that magenta or purple is a “fake color created by the mind”. BS!
Magenta is almost the same as pink which is just a diluted red.
Purple is the mixture of red and blue! It is no different than any other mixture, such as green and yellow. Yellowish green is not a “fake color created by the mind”. It is the simple mixture of green and yellow. All it is a blur, a dithering…
For example if you have a checkerboard of pixels, alternating yellow and green… and you zoom out of the checkerboard, it will occur a blur eventually, becoming yellowish green. This is all purple is.
Thus I don’t think you can create new colors with cyborgs. The rainbow seems to be a contained circle of colors. To create new colors you would need new colors imbetween Red Green and Blue. But there are already imbetween colors between Red Green and Blue already.
The “do” in the higher octave may be a repetition of the “do” in the lower active, but they are clearly different notes. You will always be able to tell the difference between hearing the lower “do” and the higher “do”–therefore, they do not quite repeat.
Colors are not the same as musical notes. Colors are a magical property, musical notes are a physical property.
Higher octaves sound the same as lower octave notes, except with more energy.
But RGB (255,0,0) red already has the maximum energy possible. Adding more energy just makes it become white and diluted.
The color itself has only 2 dimensions.
The translation agent has 3 dimensions in order to map the color.
futureone wrote:
I read already the pop-sci hypers claims that magenta or purple is a “fake color created by the mind”. BS!
Magenta is almost the same as pink which is just a diluted red.
I don’t know what they mean by “fake color” (or who these pop-sci hypers are), but I thought you mentioned before that you believe color is produced by the brain, that you didn’t buy the “window-to-reality” view of consciousness (you called colors “magical”). The brain invents colors based on the signals it gets from the retina. Outside the brain, there are only different frequencies of EM radiation. While I don’t think this makes colors fake, they don’t exist outside a color-perceiving mind.
futureone wrote:
Purple is the mixture of red and blue! It is no different than any other mixture, such as green and yellow. Yellowish green is not a “fake color created by the mind”. It is the simple mixture of green and yellow. All it is a blur, a dithering…
You can get colors by mixing different frequencies or you can get them from a single frequency.
Sure, purple is the result of mixing red and blue frequencies, but you can also get it from the single frequency 730 THz. ← That frequency is definitely not between red and blue.
futureone wrote:
Colors are not the same as musical notes. Colors are a magical property, musical notes are a physical property.
What do you mean by “magical”? And how does that make a difference to whether colors and notes differ in their patterns?
futureone wrote:
Higher octaves sound the same as lower octave notes, except with more energy.
More energy??? If anything, I would think the volume represents energy. But sure, higher frequencies do count as more energy. But that doesn’t describe the quality of the experience, at least not to me. In any case, whether or not the higher note represents more energy makes no difference to my point. It still counts as a difference. You can still tell the lower note from the higher note. It’s not just repeating.
futureone wrote:
But RGB (255,0,0) red already has the maximum energy possible. Adding more energy just makes it become white and diluted.
Um… I don’t think you know how RGB works. White is a mix of all colors. You get white by maxing out all 3 values: (255,255,255). And like you said above, the max values of the R, G, and B are a hardware convenience (or a necessity) for computers. Natural light has no max value. The height of the wave can have any amplitude whatsoever. The higher the amplitude, the brighter the light but it never stops being (say) red, it just becomes a brighter red. After a certain point, it just hurts to look at. After a certain point again, it damages your eye. But you never end up seeing white.
futureone wrote:
The color itself has only 2 dimensions.
The translation agent has 3 dimensions in order to map the color.
So how do you specify the difference between these two colors using only 2 numbers:
There is nothing magical about it.It can all be explained scientifically.
All matter has a color and vibrates at different frequencies (this is a scientific fact) and therefore emits a different electromagnetic energy wave containing different binary data characteristics.
The physical body machines eye senses (antennas) pick up these unique varying frequency electromagnetic analogue energy waves and then the physical body machine converts them into binary digital signals and ultimately a software programme which is converted back into a visualisation which the individual who is metaphysical interprets.
It’s a scientific fact that the individual interprets varying frequency electromagnetic energy waves emitted from vibrating matter and is therefore not vibrating matter nor the varying frequency electromagnetic energy waves emitted from it.The individual resides within the void between vibrating matter.
As I have said on many occasions in other posts the individual is not only watching a live 3D tv show but they are an active player within that show.
Come on guys I have explained the representation of reality (non illusionary) science behind reality on many occasions now and yet you are still not listening because you are still believing the lie of misrepresentation of reality (illusionary) science.
The cosmos is a perfectly balanced system and you are totally embroiled within it (so you are totally embroiled within science) and are an active player within it/within science.
There is a truth and a lie on both sides of the philosophical fence which are separate (we know this because you need to exist to claim that you don’t exist so if you claim that you don’t exist then you are a LIAR that exists) which equates to there being an attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force on both sides of the fence which we know is true because balanced attractive and repulsive electromagnetic forces between all the spinning particles which make up all matter are vibratory balanced out between all spinning particles which is why all matter is held together and why mass is balanced out and why all matter levitates in space.
You can’t. As I said, you need 3 numbers in order to translate, or map out the color.
The color itself, has only 2 dimensions: rainbow and grayscale.
The math function would be lerp(rainbow,grayscale,mix). Mix is not a color, its a component of the function.
You do need a 3rd element to interpret colors ….you need the metaphysical SELF which is separate from binary software (which is converted into sounds visions and sensations) to interpret the varying frequency electromagnetic binary energy waves emitted from vibrating matter.
The metaphysical SELF resides within the void between vibrating matter.
Yeah that seems true, but not what we meant.
Besides, the colors are contained WITHIN the self, the colors ARE the self. It wouldn’t be a third thing.
Colors are a 2 component property of the self/soul.
No they’re not…..You are watching a tv you ain’t the tv.
Yes, thats all correct. I don’t remember what those pop-sci hypers exact words, but they were full of bs. It doesn’t matter their exact words anyway. Cause I know what’s what, and they’re wrong.
All the brain sees is RGB, red green and blue… Purple is not a fake color. Its a dithering of red and blue. That’s all yellow and purple is.
If you go into an image editor (something better than MSPaint, which is garbage) you’ll see. If you create a checkerboard of 2 colors then zoom out. I used to think yellow was a “magic color” produced by magic, but it isn’t. All it is is a dithering of red and green. You’ll see it in your mind, you don’t even need to enable blurring or interpolation.
The magic colors are Red, Green and Blue. These are magic colors produced by the soul. Not yellow and purple. Something does seem wrong with it. Greenish-blue doesn’t seem like a unique color, but yellow and purple does.
Still, I don’t see it being possible to make infinite colors like you say.
Right now the only real colors we got are Red, Green, Blue, and White. Black is like a void, absence of color.
How can there be more colors than that? We already have all the imbetween colors, yellow, blue-green and purple. So how can there be any such colors besides that since we already have all the colors and their imbetween colors?
Its like saying you can have angles of a circle besides 0 to 360… there is no such thing, you already have all the angles and imbetween angles.
Well duh. There are only 3: Red Green and Blue. Blue is the high frequency, maybe 600 hz. Red low frequency, 480 hz. so 730 hz is obviously purple, because it is a wrap around feature, to complete the circle, by mixing blue and red. We discussed this already didn’t we?
Um… I don’t think you know how RGB works. White is a mix of all colors. You get white by maxing out all 3 values: (255,255,255). And like you said above, the max values of the R, G, and B are a hardware convenience (or a necessity) for computers. Natural light has no max value. The height of the wave can have any amplitude whatsoever. The higher the amplitude, the brighter the light but it never stops being (say) red, it just becomes a brighter red. After a certain point, it just hurts to look at. After a certain point again, it damages your eye. But you never end up seeing white.
You are not understanding what I said. Red 255,0,0, is the maximum energy of red. Otherwise it merges with white and becomes pink.
Your argument was that 'higher octaves of musical notes’ imply that somehow there can be more colors, because higher octaves have more energy. I was explaining that Red already has the maximum energy that it can have. Colors are a magical property, they are not the same as sounds which are a physical property purely.
The rest of what you said just proves me right. You don’t see “higher octaves of red” you just feel eye pain from looking at too strong of a red bulb. Which I am not going to test personally, someone else can.
Don’t watch the tv from the left of the fence with the tv on the right of the fence (and vice versa) as you won’t get a reception.
You need to be above the fence with the spinning particles with N and S poles on both sides of the fence whose attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force interactions NN,NS,SN,SS are vibratory balanced across the fence (N/S=N/S).The = sign in this formula is the fence.
It’s the varying frequency electromagnetic energy waves (containing binary data) emitted from vibrating matter which you interpret above the fence.
All matter has a color and has its own unique vibrational frequency.
God is all present,always was and always will be.God created everything.