On Being Sheeple

[i]“There must be something the matter with him
because he would not be acting as he does
unless there was
therefore he is acting as he is
because there is something the matter with him.

He does not think there is anything the matter with him
because
one of the things that is
that is the matter with him
is that he does not think that there is anything
the matter with him
therefore
we have to help him realize that,
the fact that he does not think there is anything
the matter with him
is one of the things that is
the matter with him.”

R.D. Laing - “Knots”[/i]

We’ve all listened to the talk about being sheeple, usually in the context that somehow, it must be someone else, because it couldn’t possibly be us. Yet in careful reading of Laing’s “knot”, is this not a perfect description of the process one has encountered in every social grouping since the beginning of memory? From earliest childhood up to this moment, any divergence from the socially acceptable ‘rules’ of the moment brings this scenario into play. This is the way we are taught to not trust ourselves, and to adhere to the social norm. It begins in the family, in our neighborhood, in our schools, community, in every social setting.

The content of “what is the matter with him” is always what is discussed, along with the prescribed fix, the reasons why, etc. but it is the structure itself that makes control possible, and there isn’t a single person that hasn’t encountered the structure. Indeed, there are few who haven’t accepted this “knot” in how they look at others as well as themselves. To a greater or lesser degree, we are all sheeple. We always have been, and to the extent that we attempt to function in a social environment, we always will be.

So how do we get out of this? We obviously don’t want to just be sheeple, or do we?

I want to be a part, but not allow that part to consume me.
I want to stand out but not so far out that they can’t reach me.
I want to follow those who inspire me but not forget that I too can inspire.
I want to take from them what is good and know how to pitch the rest.
I don’t want to take them so seriously or be hurt so deeply by them.
I want them to make me look in the mirror.
I want to work on seeing a reflection that I admire.
I am sheeple, hear me baaa.

Yes. I am just sheeple because all of us fall into the same humanness, the same foibles, the same insecurities, sadness and the same inner desire to be loved. I am no better or worse than anyone in this mass of sheepleness. I am just trying to find my way… kind of like you.

I think that there is often too much emphasis placed on the value of individuality – especially since there is so little of it in practice.

So you get terms like sheeple, which is attempting to be a corrective against the mass-mindedness of people, but it fails because it sets up the “Hot Topic” mentality where you are different, but only through a massive, produced form of what rebellion is.

A worthless term because the people who use it are the least likely to actually go against it.

As Thirst would say: You’re different . . . just like all the rest.

The subject is related to the ‘what is freedom’ question.

In my view, freedom would be characterized by indifference.

This is something I wrote a week ago for somewhere else, but it pertains to this topic as it underlies individuality.

[size=150]Freedom then:
It seems to me that a concept becomes clearer when it is exaggerated or pushed to an imagined extreme.
Then some of the ambiguities are minimized and the picture is refined.

In the case of freedom let us imagine its absolute state, if we can - if we cannot let us imagine it to its most extreme manifestation that we can.

What would characterize freedom?

First let us mention that freedom is like saying power or eternal or perfect. It would be another way of defining the same thing: an absolute, inert state of non-existence.
But this too needs clarifying so let us skip it, for now.

The first thing that would characterize freedom is independence; an absence of dependence.
In its absolute form an absence of dependence on anything, in its lesser states an absence of dependence on fewer and fewer things or others.

Right away we see that man cannot be born free or, perhaps, even attain freedom while being a product of something else.
When I am born I am born dependant on something and someone.
‘I Need’ means I depend on something and I then care about it and desire it and want it.
Heidegger, if I’m not mistaken, in ‘Being and Time’ characterizes consciousness as the state of care.
I care first and foremost about my self.
This is my primary and underlying care in any interaction.

I breath means the same, I desire the same; I love, I hate means I depend on something and am affected by it, I am conditioned by it and so I care about it.
Emotion is the brain’s conditioning to react a certain way to stimuli for the sake of its own welfare - genetic or otherwise.
This is why emotion has such a powerful inebriating affect on reason.

Both reason and emotion are concerned about existence but come about it from different perspectives.
The emotional mind thinks that truth should be beneficial to self and denies anything that contradicts self-interests.
The reasonable mind thinks that ‘truth’ should be known as clearly as possible so as to use it towards self-interest.

Automatically we see that freedom would be the opposite of this care, or characterized by indifference.
We begin to see now the connection between courage, confidence and power/indifference.
We see why it is so attractive to man. The truly confident man and the courageous man is the one that cares the least about the consequences of his actions.
Being confident means I am not concerned about you or the outcome of our interaction because I have an alternative or I am not dependant on this particular outcome….

Fear is caring.
Love and hate then become reactions to this fear. One pushes away and avoids, the other binds with another to shield and protect self.

Indifference is the absence of care and dependence, including caring for one’s own existence - if that is possible at all.

To be totally free would entail being free of all care, all concern, all attachment and dependence. No hope no fears and no emotions.

“I fear nothing, I hope for nothing; I am free” - Kazantzakis

The truly free would be unaffected, self-reliant, self-determining and eternal.
We see now the absurdity of a loving, caring omniscient, omnipotent, eternal, free God.
To be concerned is to be affected by another or something other than self and so, this hypothetical perfect being, is dependant on it and affected by it and so not free from it.
To be attached is to be dependant on what you are attached to and so not free.
If I am attached to another, either though love or hate, or if I am attached to the state of living I cannot say that I am totally free and so my every thought and opinion is prejudiced by this attachment.

But consciousness depends on something, as well. It depends on life to manifest itself - and life is the state of constant needing/suffering.
Therefore …….just like any other absolute in a universe that knows no such thing, freedom is only possible in degree. To be conscious is to automatically be dependant, even if it is to the state of living.

{When we make a value judgment we are subjectively comparing two states or another with ourselves or with a perceived average.
So, we often say I am free and mean that, from what I can determine, I am freer than him or them.}
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Satyr,

=D> =D>

I agree with tent. =D>

Satyr is hiding. He can’t take the level of compliments either. What is it with you men… I am all over adoration. :laughing: :laughing:

The succesion of my feelings.
:blush: :confused: :sunglasses:

:smiley:

My! Such emotion! :wink:

And here are mine…

=P~ :blush: :cry: :confused: :smiley:

I spill too much, I am embarrassed, I cry, I realize that it was cathartic and I do a D.C. al Fine the next day.

It’s downright exhausting, but I’ll give it an eight… :wink:

Sheeple, I think, is more of a metaphorical approach. I mean… if it’s not then it’s a little absolutist/polarized. Having said that, we may all be sheep in a way; that is, the barking dogs, in many cases, have sold out to become something which doesn’t even resemble most of us.

The most free sheep are the ones who can question themselves, and at the end of the day laugh with their neighbour. We may all be huddled into this thing together, but at least we are in fact together.

Now… who’s got some water, I’ve got some ‘wool’ mouth. Ah but seriously sheep… what’s the deal with being sheared? When are they gonna come out with a mache 3 turbo sheep shearing set? I want those vibrations dammit.

They say those new lithium poly batteries will last over three hours… vibration city!

So is everyone saying that knowing when and how we’re sheeple is the real wisdom? Like gobbo, there seems to be way too much importance attached to the myth of being a “free thinker”. Maybe the term sheeple was outdated before it was coined. Maybe were just humans…

LA’s thread had me dwelling on it for a while…

I think it (sheeple) is more of a thought experiment than anything else; a juxtaposed scenario to wake people up. You simply cannot compare the human experience to that of sheep, but there is a positive awareness in the divide, somewhere. I mean if we look in the definitions, the herd dogs do exist, and the farmers in a strange way.

In the end we’re just entities on a farm. Hmm… now I feel like reading Animal Farm.

Stay away from those mutton eaters! :astonished: There is nothing wrong with using it as a metaphor in a self-appraised reality check, but it is the superior “I’m enlightened and you’re not” attitude that comes with it that one needs to examine. “sheeple” is not escapable in a social atmosphere, and to the extent that we are not hermits, we all wear a little wool…

That is what I was trying to say. There are natural followers and natural leaders but the leader can learn just as much from the follower even though the leader never knows until sometimes much later. He does have quite the ego in it all. Where does the fox come in in this mix? That is what I want to know.

It is one thing to be a herd dog and another thing to be a fox and think you are a herd dog.

:confused:

I’m getting lost, I think I just saw an antelope.

Geez, Don’t go south on me gobbo. that would make you a coyote. Don’t start with the animal list, we’re still living down the beaver metaphors… :laughing:

Having faith in philosophy itself, I believe, depends on faith in Plato’s belief that the truth is an entity separate from our belief and can be sought independantly from all circumstances. Ie: No freaking relativists!

In other words . . .

As long as he is able to think, he cannot be unable to realize that there is something the matter with him. If he can think, he can solve his problem.

That’s why cognitive therapists are often terrified of stating propositions. They need the subject to state propositions until contradictions are exposed and problematic belief systems break down. Unfortunately, (I believe) most people are tangled in contradictions and no one can afford the necessary cognitive therapy. So we have to hope that at least the ones which rule by force have had a bit of cognitive therapy . . . I’m not an optimist there.

You know granddad used to say and my dad concurred that if you are going to be a ditch digger then be the best damn ditch digger out there.

I wanna be the sheep that is in the center of the flock. It is darn safe there. screw being the best they get eaten :laughing:

Kris,

Ah, come ‘ere you little’ol brown-eyed darlin’ you… I love 'ya :laughing: :laughing: