I argue that if it’s politically correct to prefer your own family, then it should be politically correct to prefer your own culture/race, as culture/race is nothing but an extension of family.
I question whether it’s politically correct to prefer your own family, and if so, if political correctness might be called into question itself. My family is kind of a bunch of assholes.
Then, I wonder why you stop at race, when you could go on and extend to all humanity the kindness and thoughtfulness and what have you that you would to people of the same color, or genes or who pray to the same gods or shop at the same stores or vote in the same elections. Why the seemingly arbitrary limit? I think the best way to look at it is to start off realizing that everyone feels the same knot in their stomachs when they are in trouble, and we all suffer when we lose people close to us, and that hunger feels the same no matter who you are, and that none of us should want to live in a world where people sleep outside in the rain any place any time.
Too much divisiveness bro. It’s indicative of some kind of insecurity, or fear. I dunno. Maybe I’m stereotyping.
You mean like nepotism? That’s considered a no no.
People prefer their adoptive families also. It’s who you love in your bones even if you hate them. You spent huge amounts of time with them. They had you in their belly, paid for your baby food. Cleaned poop off your ass and got some of your vomit in their Eyes and mouth. Or they had the same people who Went through this for them as you did.
These are people who, even when pissed off at me, will leap in front of cars, or make bad attempts to do so, to save my Life.
Most White people would just sit back and Watch and if I called them up after my girlfriend left me, they would say, I don’t know you, I don’t care if you are White, quite blubbering and call up someone you know, goodbye.
No one gets a pass with me, regardless of race, unless by virtue of the Life I have lived we have that relationship and that is the factor.
It is so Cosmopolitan to Think there are some real ties with other members of one’s race. Friendships, good ones, are precious. I take where I find them and presume no preferences in the abstract.
Relationships are strengthened where you choose to focus. I’m not necessarily against nepotism.
Family is more important than strangers. Your mother bleeds to death bringing you into this world, through her pain and misery, her labor. And you’re going to throw her under the bus for a stranger you don’t even know? That’s vanity.
Narcissism is the opposite of nepotism.
Isn’t hating your own parents the mark of a failed human being?
Depends on your parents. I’m not necessarily agianst nepotism but in some cases I am. It was a kind of cranky reaction to a contextless post.
If you want to talk about whether it’s good to prefer your own race, that’s one thing. If you want to talk about political correctness, the less interesting topic imo, all you need to see is that the logic of political correctness is not based on internal consistency or consistency with facts, but is fundamentally based on pleasing a certain politically significant demographic. It’s politically correct to prefer whatever your target audience prefers when you want their votes and financial contributions.
I almost addressed this issue. To me it is a strange thing to want to be accepted by people who Think one should be PC - and there are various versions of this, racism, for example, being Another kind of PC - when you probably don’t accept them. (I mean you in the general sense, not the fuse sense).
We aren’t talking about things that the law comes in on. One can prefer to hang out with your own race even if some people Think this is bad. So who cares if they accept you, you probably don’t accept them.
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Culture usually transcends race. So if you are thinking of one’s cultural group as family, then it doesn’t follow to prefer your race unless your cultural group is truly racially homogenous. Even still, my cultural group contains a lot of different people, many whom I consider to be strangers. For there to be the kind of relation between family and culture that I think you’re looking for, you would need to be talking about a cultural group that is fairly tight-knit and specific.
PC is just obfuscated racism. It’s still racism, just much more complex, contrived, and convoluted.
You have to be a great liar to be PC.
Narcissism is the opposite of nepotism?
lolwut
If a person values people less related, or unrelated, by blood, then this person is a narcissist.
If a person values people more related by blood, then this person is a nepotist.
Having sex within your race is a sign of nepotism. Having sex outside your race is a sign of narcissism.
You might want to look up the word nepotism, but to get to the part that really matters day to day, it’s just about family hiring family. Which is fine if it’s all family, that is fine for everyone but the family and those who do business with them. But, when there is non family employees as well they get to do all the work, end of story.
So, sorry rununder, but you’re once again without foundation and your further proving that you’ve never held a job before.
My job is spreading truth preserve across your toasted slices of morning bread.
See you’ve shown how the transitive property works here…wait, no you didn’t. You just misused some words. That’s pretty neat, but a narcissist is a person who is purely ego driven and who has an unrealistic, inflated image of themselves. It doesn’t have much to do with other people at all, family or otherwise.
Having sex with people of your own race is a sign of a million things. Why single out nepotism?
I’ve never seen someone in my life who wanted to be regarded as a victim, but at the same time wanted to throw rocks.
You’re like the kid, literally, who swats at another kid, then when you get in trouble you cry.
I think you’re a real weakling.
Resorting to ad hom argument already? I guess that means I don’t need to respond to the rest of your statements, thanks for saving me time. 
Dude the ad hom was the very last thing I said. Then you said I resorted to it.
lol.
Then you used it as an excuse not to defend your position against the other, valid objections.
Now you’re just being silly, wanting to sulk like a victim when no one’s even hurt you.
Now that you’re actually doing it, does that give any credence to my statement that you are a weakling? Are you proving that your own objection might not cover all your bases? Like…are you proving that there CAN be something to what might seem like an ad hom, at first glance, upon closer, superiorly philosophical scrutiny and all that stuff?
Plus I mean…weaklingism could be made out as a philosophical position. I could extrapolate your views from what I observe in your behavior. Then I can attack the position of weaklingism and you either have to defend it or concede it. You’re the one making the positive claim for it, by acting it out as though you hold weakness as a virtue.
(If I’m upsetting you I’ll stop, but you said you wanted a ruthless debate)
There’s no laws against discriminating on the basis of family, as far as I know. For example, you can legally hire members of your own family over equally or more qualified strangers, or if you said “the McTaggarts are a bunch of assholes” on national television, it wouldn’t be censored/vilified the way, say, “them lousy spics” would be, or if you went around lynching McTaggarts and vandalizing their property, it wouldn’t be considered a hate crime, even though you were targeting a very specific group of people bound by blood and marriage. It’s not just politics and law, familial discrimination isn’t debated/discussed in our society, it falls under the radar and by the wayside. Furthermore, the very theory and practice of family in and of itself is discriminatory, you’re not supposed to be looking out for other people’s wives and children, primarily, you’re supposed to be looking out for your own.
Allow me to clarify - I’m not saying we shouldn’t care for other cultures, races and religions, I’m just saying it’s ok to prioritize our own, especially if there’s a conflict of interest.
I agree with the OP, it even seems rather obvious. Especially considering family is an extension of the self, and to look out for the self primarily is necessity, as the only alternative is death. It’s not something you’re “supposed” to do, it’s something you have no choice doing.
The only reason many people in the west are no longer looking out for “their” culture is because that culture is perceived to no longer serve the interests of the family and the self. But it is a mistake on their part to think that it serves their interest to look out for other cultures at the expense of what is left of their own.
To look out for ones own culture, to a westerner, would at this point in time mean to change it, to improve it, to regenerate the original values it was based on - clarity, ambition, creativity, reason, art, etcetera.
I would hesitate using the term “politically correct”, as this attracts all sorts of scum, scum that would dilute your intentions. Just say it’s rational and necessary, moral – no, go all the way and say it’s Good.
But, who parasitically forms of venomously layer upon the Good more: the PC or people who, for example, define and contrasts the words “narcissism” and “nepotism” in ways that could hardly be considered anything other than arbitrary, in other words, people who share your world view, but can barely spell their own name let alone properly help you argue your views?
Smears, I like ruthelessness and ruthless debate, but don’t catch me off guard. I didn’t know this was a debate thread and topic, is it? I presumed, maybe falsely, that most threads are premised on open discussion. I’m not necessarily involved in every thread for the sole purpose of debating.
That said, I agree with eyes about the non-discrimination against families. How can our society be anti discrimination but not anti family? Anti racism is anti family ism.
I’m just going to throw this out there, but liberalism destroys families. I don’t think that liberals are fit to form and endure family legacies. Family legacy is traditionalism. Traditionalism is conservatism, not liberalism.
A liberal family is oxymoronic.