On Freedom

Freedom is bought and sold. Freedom? What is freedom? Does freedom even exist?

In today’s hedonistic modern society money is god! Money is worshiped! Money is power! Money is everything!

There is another contingent here at play for money since by modern definition it is the only prosperity to freedom. [-X

Therefore one’s so called freedom completely becomes contingent on one’s buying power in the end scene of things as the highest prime valuer.

Now, wasn’t this a fun interesting presentation here?

I wonder, how much freedom do I possess with 00.00 amount of money at my personal disposal?

I wonder how much freedom I possess forced working two menial labor jobs just to survive on a meager monthly existence working my sixty hours a week…

Damn!!

I’ve become enslaved!

Financial insolvency is your freedom being taken away from you. All hail mighty Mammon!

The choice is either to prosper with material wealth or find an alternative, and there are many alternatives.

Thanks for reiterating my claims. You have only reinforced that freedom is illusionary where there is only in reality power at play and the friction of it’s absence in others. Any questions?

Thats what I did huh… Ok well i suppose i’m done here then.

P.S. Choice is a Freedom

Choice is dictated by financial viability.

Nope, at least not most of them. Wealth only opens the freedom to enter certain plutocratic doors far more quickly.

But it’s kind of like wanting to hang out with a bunch of people who don’t like you.

Well that depends, does the slave even have the freedom to kill himself?

Or hasn’t that even been taken away from him? The true slave can neither live nor die until he is told to do either.

In a society where money is considered paramount to power or ‘freedom’ behaviors and responses from others become easily manipulated.

I don’t see how that is even relevant.

True, it makes it more difficult if you care or are reliant on money. As I said though there are always alternatives and societies change, wealth is an important factor through most of them but it’s not always held up so high as it is in “modern society”.

Societies don’t really change beyond technological appliances.

They all revolve around power accumulation of competing individuals and social expediency.

Not sure about that, I think it revolves around cooperation as well.

And Cultural values, norms and perceptions.

Cooperation is a pervasive illusion as often enough there is forced cooperation by outside or environmental coercion.

At any rate there are groups of individuals completely in independence cooperating amongst themselves but always in competition against outside groups of others.

It’s all more to do with associative convenience than it has to do with cooperation itself.

Your obviously not acquainted with history very well.

Also, look up cultural relativism because your universalism is gullible and naive.

I’m not? I thouroughly enjoy history.
Perhaps I missed something.

We require food and water ( material possessions ) first and foremost before we can indulge in any of these ‘higher’ more meaningful endeavors. Don’t get too hung up about ‘money’, yes it’s just paper but it is a representation of real material wealth.

Freedom is choice. All persons hold choice, and demand it per our nature.

You have missed something. It’s called human nature where like many idiotic thinkers today you rather naively paint it to be some pretty thing that it’s not where you sit back and whine wondering why your idealistic constructions keep failing around it.

Until you can understand human nature for what it is along with thinkers just like you nothing will be accomplished.

And those things are purchased with money, aren’t they?

The limit of my ‘freedom’ or independence along with my material needs is limited by the amount of money that I possess.

This is the modern tyranny and enslavement. This is how everybody is controlled where money itself represents the highest and most powerful manipulative devices.

All one needs is to control the money supply to rule over others…

Bullshit. Become homeless with zero amounts of spending power…

Start with $00.00 and get back to me after wards of how ‘freedom’ is a choice.

$, that is your ‘freedom’ right there. It’s a illusion which we constantly seek to buy into.

Those chosen to succeed are rewarded with financial ‘freedom’ or independence for there is no other kind in civilization to which all outcasts and undesirables are reduced to monetary enslavement. This has been the common practice of civilization for thousands of years.

You have missed something. It’s called human nature where like many idiotic thinkers today you rather naively paint it to be some pretty thing that it’s not where you sit back and whine wondering why your idealistic constructions keep failing around it.

Until you can understand human nature for what it is along with thinkers just like you nothing will be accomplished.

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I understand the Duality of Man, you apparently don’t.Which is shown by your ignoring of what I’ve previously said while you depict me as something I’m not.

What is Human nature Joker? You wisest of men. Put an end to my naivete and tell me.

What is human nature? Brute savagery, selfishness, and a tyranny towards others.

So you’re a brute and a tyrant. Can an anarchist be a tyrant? Doesn’t that make you a hypocrite?

What is the definition of a brute.

What is the definition of a tyrant.

All individuals are egoists seeking to fulfill their competing selfish desires. Were all brutes and tyrants as individuals.

Go read a dictionary. :stuck_out_tongue: