on God

this is based on the Christian belief of God.

according to christian beliefs, God is holy. He is almighty. however, why is God holy? well, lets put it this way: he existed before anything else did, and he created everything else. now…if YOU were to create a world (assuming you can), would YOU not build it according to YOUR beliefs? to the inhabitants of the world, would YOU not make yourself holy? christians say there is no absolute, and God is the absolute. but what if I was God? what if I existed before anything else did? what if I built the world according to MY beliefs? then…even if i am exactly the same as i am right now, would i not become holy?

conclusion: no such thing as absolute… no such thing as holiness. whoever has the power has the holiness, whoever has the power is holy.

however…why is god GOD? why am i not god? christians say that god existed before anything else did and is more powerful than anything else, but why did i not exist before anything else did and am not more powerful than anything else? christians say that humans are created by god and therefore do not deserve to be god, but why am i not the creator to begin with?

answers to these questions please. questions also welcome.

God means Higher you cannot be god because you cannot make what He make well you are free not to love what He does or the means or His will but you have to admit that He is God not because of the power he has on all your feelings and what you say but because of what He can as a Being giving coherence and consistance to so much details for a will to answer on absolute stuff i will give to doubt i know i see God and His Height It is really impressive to me so i admit i cannot check on higher christians don’t talk like that they never say of Him as powerful creator this is more muslims christians don’t say you don’t deserve to be God this is more muslims Christians say you are God as Jesus Christ he gave Him everything i don’t know about jesus stuff in fact i don’t like him a man cannot be God and it is very wrong to count on men love only God gives love and i dont like how they think worngly that they are beautiful since jesus died for their sins on the cross nobody die for another sin in God you have to assume the truth in you as in everyone else other wise there is absolutely no aim for you to fake living or say what you don’t are and God is everything but not stupid to see you for none

I profoundly agree with iman - he has brought truth and clarity to the discussion.

i am a woman thank you for your warm expression

but WHY can i not make what he makes? because im not god…WELL WHY AM I NOT GOD???

christians love god. why? because they share god’s view on the world. but what if god was different? what if although just as powerful, he had a totally different personality? what if he was just like the devil as we know him and devil was just like god as we know him in reality? wont we worship god just the same? because if he was like the devil in real life, he’ll create a world where his totally opposite personality will be loved and praised. devil, while has the same personality as god in real life, would be hated because the very definity of EVIL is anything that is against god.

remember that EVERYTHING is based on god’s opinion and god’s opinion alone. whatever he likes, he’ll make it holy. whatever he hates, he’ll make it evil. and why can he do this? because he has the power!

the real question is: howcome nobody else has the power?

about jesus: none of us ASKED to have a sinful soul. none of us ASKED to have an imperfect body. none of us ASKED to have an unhappy life. God created us as we are. you may argue that God did not directly create us, but our parents did. however, God had the power to stop us being born by our parents, didnt he? he had the power to wipe out all evil from the people’s hearts, didnt he? but he didnt. why? because he wanted to see people turning away from evil and love god without himself interfering. if he want to see people loving him, hes gotta pay a certain price for it, that price being jesus. after all, god didnt stop us from being born with a sinful soul into this evil world, so shouldnt he be responsible for it and pay the price through the form of jesus’ sufferings?

Nope. It doesn’t work like that, shimo, you should know better. You can’t just go around a week before Easter asking why am I not God and expect to get away with it. God can be vengeful at times and he does have all the power, you know… If you’ haven’t been struck by any random electrical discharge yet, then I suggest you leave any metal objects home next time you go out.

Furthermore.

I think you got up on the wrong side of the holy, my friend, cause I don’t think we get along in terms of definitions. You seem to consider God’s holiness some kind of dynamic tension that spices things up between Him and us. You’re mad and you want to wrestle Him and you want to win, but you feel the fight is uneven, you feel impaired because he’s God and he’s essentially a tough guy.

Personally, I can’t go with that, it makes me sore. There’s pressure bearing on my shoulders as it is, God’s holiness is the last thing I need right now. As far as I know, holiness is an attribute, a state of encumbered bliss that entails spiritual purification, a shower of divine charisma beautifing the nature of a thing. The stuff that saints are made of. God being the yardstick in terms of perfection and balance I guess He’s holy through definition, but I understand He’s willing to share.

You’re jealous of God, aren’t you ? I can feel anger seething in your brain. You don’t like Him, because He can do stuff that you can’t. You’d like to be in His shoes, at least for a day, to look down on all the filthy bums that you created… Shimo almighty…

I don’t think you’ll get that chance. Job tried once to question God and prove Him unjust, but all he got a slap in the face. God reminded him who’s the boss. You can scream all you like, shimo, but these days He doesn’t even bother to respond.

Edit: this is a reply to Shimo (Mucius’s post went up while I was writing)

You’ve opened the lid on the reason why the idea of free will is so important to christians and other heaven/hell partitioners: if there’s no free will, then their god has basically created billions of people purely to be sent straight to hell. [Quite how the idea of free will is compatible with the fact (from relativity) that the future is “already there” is something the god-people have yet to adequately respond to.]

Is it possible to convince a deep will to lie? the answer is NO and here where God beauty of loving truthful souls He wants come you did’nt answer any of my thoughts whatever your fake name is i won’t give you anymore all could be proove of what God said is right because there is only one reality His being with void his suffer to be His thoughts to get through happiness He wants all this he gave souls in Him to see why He figure it that way in their fake and stupid lives with no suffer of His no struggle no values needs no need of Love this is the proof with all your empty souls still many can say how the right is the only solution to the conflict infront as for jesus he is not and yes you should suffer yourself for the happiness you would feel in love for to give to your creator the love He made you for as you will know will so deeply what He only can tough is a weak cowered desire in the bible God made Jesus only to prepare stupid greedy souls to the truth as for me i don’t want any power i never feel jalous because i love always what is superior in fact this is true love but i don’t accept that any lower i could help to let him dirty the truth of what i am made off and say i am god i love to be just a smile or a tear or a warm relief to any being who thinks humble of his needs much less than what i do values all can be proove that is why i justify my deep intolerance to whom they feel being in a reality empty of values this is what i define as low knowing that low doesn’t exist as only God IS knowing that high means smart as i can proove free will is not as you see spoiled souls who don’t know the truth of suffer of God full of low desires to please Free Will means a spirit choosing in each second he is the bad of the good he see as the free will of God who choose to make what He saw of truth a reality in Him despite all the chains that tell Him that He can’t and those who are going to hell they don’t have any desire of the real paradise they know deserving punishment for what they will keep on willing against God so God made it all fair

This belongs in the garbage bin…
I mean, the “Religion” area of the forum.

i guess hell is a necessary truth kept in mind as a memory of justified assets for a being Will

Firstly Christianity is weak in their belief of God as they “humanize” God. They consider God a sort of person, ergo people like you come by thinking “why can’t i be god?” God is not a person. God transcends the mortal universe and time. We dont’ know what God really is, but we do know what God isn’t, and God isn’t a person! So stop with the personification already!

PS. why arent’ u god? Because your human. The question is: what are u going to do now? There is a fork in the road ahead, keep your eyes in focus and dont’ trip :wink:

Hello,
I agree with " Blindseer" about Humanizing God. He ( if he/she/it actually exists) may be so vast and absolute as to actually be “all” absolutes ie. mathmatics, light etc. Religeon misses the point by imposing ideologies and by excluding those who do not conform to their particular belief system. I dont believe religeon was ever the intention or point. To give you freewill a God would have to remain neutral on all matters of human life experience even though it may be painful to do, much as it is painful for a parent to have to remain neutral in some cases where their child is concerned so that they may learn and grow in their own right.
Why can’t You BE God? Well may be you can’t in the same way a single cell of your body can’t be the complete YOU. You may be very much a part of God and an integral part, in the same way your cells are a part of you.
Or maybe not. Pardon my ramblings.

why is whatever HE thinks is right RIGHT?

why do you care to know?

Again you try to minimize God (again-whether he exists or not), by reducing him/she/it to a human level. 1+1=2 its TRUTH, therefore PURE and CONSTANT one may say HOLY. Same as any constant or absolute. There can be no deviation- it simply IS. This does not mean that any so called ideology one wishes to label as being “Gods Truth” is said truth just beacause “THEY” claim it so.
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Anthropocentrism and anthropomorphism, which is the forms of Christianity, cannot produce an adequate understanding of the nature of man and existence, because to do so one cannot place stock in the theory of teleological spontaneous creationism; one cannot assume that man was created suddenly rather than evolving. Evolution is not compatible with anthropocentric theology and therefore religions such as Christianity are theoretical risks…they are magnificent slippery-slopes.

This is not to say that metaphors cannot be made from religious vocabularies and themes, and promote culture and ethical systems, whatever they be, but religion cannot, by virtue of the absurdity of the grounding assumptions and their anthropocentric nature, be a critical model for explaining anything teleological.

I have yet to see a philosopher use the term “God” in a more appropriate manner than Spinoza. Few if any remarks are made in which there are connotations of moral concern and the “humanizing” of God. “God” is not a feature role in a story…he is not a character, he does not transcend the story. Platonic religions, such as Christianity, are where anthropocentrisms originate. The other-worldy, the esoteric, and the metaphor through art is this spiritualization process which creates archetypes that are recuring in all religious themes. Christianity is one such religion that was born into pre-established vocabularies and meanings and principles that were passed down from paradigm philosophies. In a word, Christianity is a watered-down neo-Platonism with rearranged furniture.

Still the thing lacking is the more far reaching view that evolution requires and the knowledge of the process rather than the instances of contingency. A power philosophy such as Nietzsche’s, although his polemic was a reaction, with an addition of Spinozean stoicism would produce a well rounded idea of what “God” could possibly be with all things most likely in mind; the fact of evolution, the infinite nature of the universe, and the power expressed in causal relationships. What is lasting is that power and that inertia…what is not is our story books and tales of prophets and 6,000 year old planets…where men rise spontaneously out of dust and women from a rib.

The religious thinker gets so caught up in traversing the contents of religious doctrine as a mode-of-story, its narrative, and trying to deduce general logical conclusions by merely commenting on a verse or two, that he forgets the entire envelope he is within is a giant metaphor word game.

People cannot seriously take Christianity for anything more than a fossil. If they do they don’t realize it but they are simply participating in Pascal’s wager although they have so far avoided the bite of conscience. Let’s get serious…

Bob, are you there, sir? Come here, I want to ask: are you absolutely sure that you should be spending as much time as you do with Christianity? Don’t you know that Spinoza is far more dynamic than Christianity? Have you considered that fact that you might of asked yourself subconsciously over breakfast one morning: “hey Bob, if God does exist and you don’t have faith, you’re screwed…but if you do have faith, and God does not exist, you’ve lost nothing.”

I want the truth, Bob. And don’t lie to me…I can smell the fear.

The whole point of talking about God is that God is absolute. Whoever has the power? If the universe (= everything that exists) is defined based on God, then no individual can have that power; God is all of it. It seems like you’ve kindof skipped all of the theology and gotten twisted in personifications.

Christianity personifies God because a human being is the closest thing to Him that we understand (i.e. humans are the most complex things we understand), but God isn’t a human in any literal sense. Sometimes this personification can lead to misunderstandings (like this thread imo), but in general it helps people understand God, especially as far as emotions are concerned.