On Middle Eastern women

I’ve watched some explicit pornographic films with Iranian and Pakistani women in them. I’m kinda shocked how beautiful middle eastern women can be.

Such a shame they have to be hidden away with burkas over their faces.

More of them should come over here to be westernized.

On the contrary, if you had a stable of particularly pretty girls then you’d do the best you could to stop everyone else realising they were so pretty. Let’s face it, most Muslim men aren’t up to much, and don’t have as much to offer a pretty girl as a Western man does (I mean in terms of things like respect and help) and so they don’t want their women on an open market, romantically speaking. Muslims being the rather simple minded and crude people that they are have found the most basic and effective solution - force the women to cover up in public.

No shit. And it’d be good for multiculturalism - no one complains when the immigrants in question are attractive members of the preferred gender.

I understand the whole oppressive patriarchy bit. I’m all for it. That’s the only thing about radical Islam I can agree with.

I think when radical feminism gets out of hand it is far more dangerous than a established oppressive patriarchy. I’d rather go with the oppressive patriarchy any day of the week. Of course I speak as a male saying that. :laughing:

I just don’t think you have to hide women’s faces to do it, but whatever, some cultures have their way of doing things I guess.

I have nothing against multiculturalism. I’m a German, Scottish, and of a Hungarian Ashkenazi Jewish bloodline.

The white race has done nothing for me and most of my white brothers and sisters treat me like nonexistent disposable garbage anyways. Fuck the white race.

I see nothing of its decadence to preserve.

I agree that racial double standards do exist and in many ways whites are becoming the new oppressed racial or cultural minority however if the white race is too weak to collectivize itself to any action in creating homogeneity for itself it deserves to die in extinction. One of the reasons the white race is dying is because of the radicalized feminist white woman who refuses to mate in large numbers compared to other ethnic women. It’s simple really, if you can’t competitively breed or mate your specific genetic phenotype will die out. Other kinds of ethnic women are far out competing white women in reproduction therefore they’re superior breeders and male companions.

I have no problem with the third world taking over the world on the ruins of western civilization. Western civilization is a decadent place that deserves to die.

I could care less.

I’m in the Muddle East. A lot of the women here are not what you would think. They not all strict muslims here :-$ inshallah :smiley:
A night out clubbing in Beirut - The White Club, or in Pacha -Sharm El Sheik (Egypt), would change your mind and put a smile on your face.
A lot of Lebanese women are gorgeous, and fairly liberal. Oh and alcohol runs freely, not like some other arab countries around here.
Tel Aviv thinks of itself as the city that never sleeps. But the biggest and best clubs are expensive and the women that go there are usually stuck up snobs or gold-diggers. But there’s plenty of good bars and clubs. Usually overflowing with booze chicks :slight_smile:

Interesting. I wonder how materialistic middle eastern women are compared to your average European or North American European women.

From my general experience nothing tops materialistic gold digging like your average white European woman. They’re like the mother of all whores.

I want to believe women in other parts of the world are different, but as usual I am constantly disappointed.

Yeah, I’ve seen photos of Egyptian, Lebanese, Arab, and Pakistani women. They’re beautiful.

Middle Eastern women use A LOT of make up.

I honestly don’t like too much makeup on women. I find it unattractive.

Islam treats women as precious jewels.
That is why they are not kept in open, but in safe custody like other precious and valuable things. Men own them, father before marriage and husband after marriage. It has both effects, some good and some bad too.

In islam, the beauty of an women is for only for her husband to see, not for a street walker. Thus, they are supposed to wear veils.

Prophet Mohammad said that the beauty of the women is too fierce for the men to handle.
And, odds are in the favor that most of the men would lose their patience and commit adultery. So, it would be better to keep their beauty under veil in general and expose to their husbands only.

I have very serious doubt about that being true. You are misunderstanding the issue.
But, if it is true unfortunately, then the only reason would be that the most of the men around them would have become some sort of pimps.

No matter in which part of the world you would go, the women would be as same as the men around them. They always follow the men unconsciously, till they (women) find something in men to follow.

But, the problem is nowdays that men do not have proper vision and women do not see their survival under their guidance. That is why they are becoming feminist ( finding their own way of survival).

Remember that guidance is not much related to dominance, but inclined more towards companionship.

Yes, they are really beautiful, especially Pakistanis. You have not yet seen Punjabi girls and from J & K ( Kashmir) in India. They are perhaps more beautiful, especially Kashmiries. They are almost a rare breed.

This is true that western women are fairer than their these counterparts. But, there is something unique in the features of these asian women. Features means the anatomy of the face, neither body nor colour. Their face is very attractive.

And, what after their westernization? How would it benifit either you or them?

On the contrary, I do not think that the most of western men can handle middle-eastern Muslim women.

Furthermore, your assesment about Muslim men is totally wrong. They use to pay far more attention to their women and family than you think. And, an average Muslim woman there feel herself far more safe and secure about her future than being in the west. And, i am not talking about the money.

These terms respect and help may mean different to different persons.

with love
sanjay

By what measure?

Good point. Going to have to retract on that one.

Islam treats women as precious jewels.
That is why they are not kept in open, but in safe custody like other precious and valuable things. Men own them, father before marriage and husband after marriage. It has both effects, some good and some bad too.

In islam, the beauty of an women is for only for her husband to see, not for a street walker. Thus, they are supposed to wear veils.

Prophet Mohammad said that the beauty of the women is too fierce for the men to handle.
And, odds are in the favor that most of the men would lose their patience and commit adultery. So, it would be better to keep their beauty under veil in general and expose to their husbands only.
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Or men could learn how to deal with their issues and the women could get enough vitamin D to thrive.
And such judgments of men. Like the only way to express attraction/be attracted is to knock a woman over and have sex.

Yes Moreno, i agree with you that men could learn how to deal with their issues without being so extremist.

But, you must understand that this is the stand of Islam, not mine.

Islam straightaway accepts the unability of men to handle the beauty of women and suggests that keeping it under the veil is the only solution.

I am not an extremist and see women somewhat different than Islam. But, that difference does not necessaraily means the complete western way either.

with love,
sanjay

You never told me you were part Jewish. So is Sauwelios :mrgreen:

Didn’t know until about two years ago. Not that it matters. I’m an atheist.

It was only on my father’s side of the family. The rest of my family are devout liberal Catholics. Hate every single one of them minus my mother.

Echo,

I think that you should mention very clearly which person you are intereacting with to avoid any confusion.

With love,
sanjay

No.

OK. I got that.

Thanks.

with love,
sanjay

Congrats on being a fucking idiot?

The mystery is exquisite.

Care to define this? Could get interesting.

This is exactly what I mean when I say not all Muslims are fundamentalist crazies like everybody insists they are. Perhaps nobody is listening because I don’t physically live in a predominantly Muslim country, unlike you.

It’s like all that most people want to see is an enemy of Western values, so they only notice the “radical” aspects of their behaviour and the few that take the religion particularly seriously, and preferably literally when it comes to the more anti-Western aspects of the Qur’an. Those types are always “overtaking” Western countries and being the cause of anything that’s worse now than it was…

As I repeatedly say, my best friend is a Muslim who lives in the middle east (or muddle east lol, if you prefer, peter). I indirectly have an inside perspective that is if anything biased towards favouring Muslims. Yet all I hear are still tales of loose Muslim values amongst seriously practicing Muslims. Ones that aren’t actually offensive to Western values, especially Christian ones - though yes they’re still religious which is a shame. But in their fervency and piety, they’re almost exactly a mirror of Christians and any other religion. They’re no exception.

And yes, they just so happen to be rife with hotties. You’d not be surprised if you were educated and informed on this matter.

Peterpan and Silhouette,

In broad sense, i agree with you both.

There is certainly a misperception among some of the westerners (if not all) about Muslims. I live in India, which owns third highest Muslim population in the world (about 10%). They are about 17-18% of the total population here and are perfectly gelled with the other communities.

Yes, ther are some fundamentalists within them for sure but this is true for all other communities, including Christians. So, Muslims are as good or as bad as any other religious community.

The same is also true for Indonesia,Malaysia and Bangladesh, which are predominantly Muslim countries. But, the problem is that most of the westerners do not see these countries as the representatives of Muslims and take only Arab countries and perhaps Pakistan into account. Though, the fact of the matter is that these Arab countries do not have even 20% of total Muslim population. And, that incudes some liberal countries too. Even all Pakistanis are not as bad as we use to think.

So, let us keep in the mind that when we talk about these so called fundamentalists, we are talking about not more than 10% of of total Muslim population. And, this generalization is not justified.

By the way, let me also remind here that, Irrespective of how good or bad Saddam was, Iraq was the most liberal Muslim country by far among the Arab nations. I know this personally because in good times of Iraq, Indians and Indian companies used to have very significant presence there (highest amongst all foreigners).

But, the irony is that US and other western countries destroyed most liberal Iraq and supported countries like Saudi Arab, who is most undemocratic, closed minded and the real epic centre of all troubles.

with love,
sanjay