Is suicidal a good or wrong thing to do ?
Are there cases in which suicidal is preferable to living ?
suicide is the individual’s choice
Christians say it is sinful and a cheap ticket to hell
I say many Christians sin and that even though they like to act all cute and innocent they should go to hell.
Christians are the reason I want to commit suicide in the first place.
I would say that you only get to enjoy existence once, so you shouldn’t cut short what can be a timeframe pregant with meaning and experience.
There are times however when it would preferable to die by your own will. Say if you are a POW and know you’ll be killed eventually, and would rather skip a bunch of pain. Stuff like that.
I believe that even if you commit suicide, you can still go to heaven. Everybody “sins” right? Do you confess every sin you’ve ever commited? Is that even possible? My opinion is that suicide, is a selfish act. An inconsiderate act, an impulse of selfish desperation, but to way my opinion I also do believe that there are certain situations that I could find no way out of. Honestly, I’ll let God determine when I die, I’m in no rush.
No, no, no… It’s not about sins… well, not directly…
But there are moments when you realise that life is no more a viable option. This can only occur to someone who possesse a certain feeling of dignity and honour. There are times when one feels that only by living he is doomed to partake to this macabre farse which life becomes. You are not only conscious
that winning the race is impossible, but you find that even the race you entered is absurd. There are times when suicidal is the only option, but I repeat, this can only be deemed by someone who has the intuition of the absolute, and can only stumble when walking in daily reality.
Is Romeo a coward for having drunk the poison when Juliet lay breathless in her tomb ? Is Juliet gulty in the face of God (supreme morality ) for stabbimg herself at the sight of Romeo’s corpse ?
Is the dacian king Decebal accusable for taking his own life in front of the roman soldiers, choosing to die as a free man, instead of living to trail behind roman chariots in disgrace, in the roman capital ?
All that I want to say is that sometimes, commiting suicide is an expression of free will, not a sign of cowardice. The choice o defy a world that is so abject, that by living you can only be an accomplice to it.
Every time I am brought to think of suicide, I am reminded of those subtle pleasures … that I would rather watch a fountain mist than see no mist; rather be called a fool than hear no words; rather feel the ache of loss than feel nothing.
Or perhaps … I just don’t have the courage.
I think that suicide is a bad thing to do because of the following: “it’s not the life you have, but the life you live that counts” meaning that it’s not your situation in life but what YOU do with the situation that is important. Or else, if one’s situation was more important then how could all humans be equal? Thus people who kill themselves are committing a wrong in putting too much value in what kind of life they have, and not the kind they live.
Suicide isn’t a great thing, surely. But, I do feel that it is sometimes justified/warrented. I knew someone who really hated his life, it was really a waking nightmare for him. He tried therapy for a few years, but he was still consistantly miserable. At that point, why not? If you live life devoid of hope, why not choose an escape from that pain?
And I agree, it can occasionally be an expression of free will when confronting horrible fate.
That said, everything should be done to avoid it. Suicide – nasty stuff that.
Suicide should not be discouraged or encouraged, assuming that the individual actually understands the irreversability of their actions.
I will never be convinced that a 16 year-old who kills himself over a girl understands the consequences of his actions, but I might believe you if you said an older person who's had the end of their life spelled out for them by disease very well may.
I attribute suicide to pain itself. Everyone has a limit on how much pain
they can tolerate be it mental or physical. If someone has a choice
in order to escape increasing levels of pain they might opt for the quick
way out.
The problem is when does the pain stop. Someone who is suicidal might
not be able to hold out until the torment ceases. Taking religion
out of the equation, it would be quite difficult to say if suicide is
a good or bad thing. Most people would say those who commited suicide
were just cowards because they did not face up to their duties.
Personally I feel a the person commiting the suicidal act does not care
if its good or bad, right or wrong. They just want to escape pain.
If one wishes for death during lifes normal trevails then that person needs to reach out for help or the people around that person hopefully see the need and help. there are times that suicide is the answer. It has nothing really to do with courage or cowardice. The Japanese have a ritual for it if they lose face. If they lose face and don’t do it they are reviled as cowards. Interesting bit of culture. By other cultural standards one is a coward if you do suicide.
I believe at one point or another we all contemplate it. some act upon it. I think perhaps for some, in a state of chemical imbalance or depression it becomes not a wish but, a strong compulsion. so strong that even medicated or undergoing therapy they will do it or try it at least once. i had a step Aunt that succeeded in this compulsion after 10 tries Over a period of 20 yrs. She was under therapy and being treated for chemical imbalance. there are many different reasons for it and against it. It boils down to, pray you made the right choice.
i wish the government would make assisted suicide legal. why should people jump off bridges, jump infront of cars, you know, cause big, blobby stains and stuff…when they could die peacefully under narcotics??
they’re gonna kill themselves anyway. You know, 300 people have died by jumping into volcanoes already. ouch. they heard some rumor that if they did this they would go to some type of weird heaven or something. now this is probably the stupidest thing i have ever heard of.
“To save a man’s life against his will is the same as killing him.”
- Horace
Ars Poetica, c.8 BC
One could argue that once suffering has gone beyond a certain point that suicide is the best option. Remember all those ‘assisted suicide’ cases?
i mean, i found a pretty great method to commit suicide. it’s clean, painless, sort of cheap…but it involves me making a barbeque at two in the morning to chemically produce a poisonous gas ( carbon monoxide, stuff millions of jews dead from in Hitler’s shower houses ). but I am fucking useless with making fires. i hope it works. I can not take all this shit anymore. it boils down to the fact that my disfigurement could have been prevented, but nobody cared to help me, my own mother brainwashed me into thinking i looked normal even though my acne spun out of control and everyone thought "oh #*$ look at that!!! then she leaves to go to another country where she is living it up being a socialite and fucking men. even if my skin totally recovers in the future i will never be able to forget the pain and i am now an outcast who is scared to even look at people.
is fish seriuos about suicide over acne? in my opinion,death is unnatureal.it was only accepted by us,because everyone else was doing it,the usual bandwagon,brainless bullshit. i was VERY close to suicide at one point. ended up at a ‘jail’ for those that act up and are sent to psycyatrists. acting out in there is dangerus becuase people that run hospitals are bumbleing idiots. when people die, they dont care.they are callased from thier work.if you are strong enough,you act real f*ing sane,and hope you can get out early with good behavior to see an environment much more able to help you than the AMA’s minions. i was there for days, saw a docter once.when i got out of the neglect-o-matic,they had not accomplished anything. those that buckled under preassure were given needeles or security guard escorts. like fuing jail,you find inner strength or you crack and demise or some shit. the name of this jail is a ‘psycheatric ward’. this over depression mind you, not being a threat to other people, only to yourself. yes by christian standards,it is considerd sinfull or dishonorable. when i think of someone dieing,it is not a pain or terror to them. the dead are concious of nothing at all.the pain is to only us, the ones left here,only a bit more lonely and disturbed. it all boils down to loyalty. would you go thrue living hell,just because as much as 1 person gives a shit about you???if not that,do you belive god does? i was very close to suicied once, and am very familiar with it,if only it’s ideals,but not practice. in summary, i still dont know if it is right or wrong, but i do know that the giver of life would not take delight in the removeal of it.
In further debates i figure the origin of death would be very relivant to this topic,but really want to hear the atheists try to explain this one away.
so we all evolved the incredible ability to wither up and die after a few years right?!
it was acne like you wouldnt believe. snow white skin turned crusty red and blotches everywhere. teacher even discriminated, no surprise as he is virtually a reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. It is scary how much he looks and acts like Hitler did, he is even German. This teacher also once said " a girl is not a person". joke? no punchline for miles. everyone i know is crazy.
On the issue of suicide, consider the worst video game youve ever played. You can either play it out for as long as you can until game over, or you can walk away from it forever. The game may be shit, but theres nothing else for you to do. May aswell play it till its over, sure it might get boring… but play it for as long as you can, you never know… it may get better.
As an athiest I would like to point out that in evolutionary terms, suicide is a defect. It is a state of mind that is inbalanced and confused. It goes against natural instinct… depression is a state of mind that ignores many natural instincts. Which is why depressed people often eat little, sleep little, clean little and socialise little. It can be said that depression os a lack of natural instincts… the ultimate instinct being to live.
In each case of suicide, death is evidently preferable to living. Still, this is only considering that ‘preferring’ occurs while living & the person(s) in question preferred death while alive. I cannot determine if successful ‘suiciders’ are satisfied with their previous choice because I am certain there’s a conflict of context between being dead & experiencing preference.
In a broad sense, suicide is not more preferrable because less people commit it than do.
I also had a personal experience with suicide when I was young. But I thought it out and never thought of suicide again no matter how bad life got. I see all suicide for the exception of one situation for suicide a cowardly and spineless act. The reason I say this is because I have accepted the fact that life is suffering trying to prevent it, stop it, or go around it is futile. The only option you have it to accept it and walk straight through it with your head up high. because “What doesnt kill me only makes me stronger!”.
As well if you whole life is crappy and you wanna kill yourself because of it thats only because you let it be that way. 1. You have to see the beauty in life and the virtue in suffering. 2. If you think your life sucks, then you life will suck. 3. Your life sucks because you suffer and you suffer because you fight suffering 4. If you don’t like your life change it. Do not be afraid to change. Change is the greatest risk and the greatest reward. Change is the way of the universe you’ll be a lot happier if you accept it and go with it.
The static are useless. The adaptable are the superior.
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