How can I help others when they don’t even help themselves?
This doesnt look like much of a social sceince…
Are you estimating that all those lacking in finance have put themselves in that situation by choice?
A very large percentage of these sorts of people are not working because of their lacking of education, emotional, physical or mental health.
Things such as abusive families or trajities can also render someone poor.
Your post here was a quickly formulated and also a cold opinion.
Please see my reply at this your subject in the psycology section of ILP.
They cannot. You are different. Maybe you can. You’ve already made a thread like this, or at least spread this shit on other threads before. Go visit relatives for Christmas or something, if they will accept you, but for God’s sake go somewhere where you can’t use a computer.
Dan~
That one liner I wrote is equivalent to Jesus’ ‘do onto others as you would do onto yourself’.
The crux of the social science issue is the differences that exist among human beings that form our society. the majority of the poor are simply useless pepetual drunks with no loyalty, mateship, they are nobodies. they have never done anything to help themselves. all they do is drink, drink, gamble. they only have themselves to blame.
I am not a cold hearted man. I help those who help themselves. Seek and you shall find. when they don’t even bother to seek, how can they find?
Those lacking in finance have themselves to blame. Why do they lack education? I never went to philosophy class, I studied Commerce, first Actuarial Studies then Accounting/Finance. Yet I can talk philosophy at the elite level. I did it all because I work hard, in situations where others lose faith, I florish. I live by myself for 1 year now. I work full time, I study, I cook, wash cloth, I read philosophy, and I am writing a book which is nearly finished. How come I can do all that and the poor can’t even find a job? They are intrinsically lazy and they are not friends, they have not passion, they are less than I am. I came from a difficult family, my father died when I was young, my mother is Schichophrenic. How come I can do it, while those in more priviliged circumstances fail? How come I can see the flaws in philosophy while others are blind? I help myself! I always help myself. I am not reliant on others to do things for me, nor think for me. if the poor does not want to be poor, what have they done to eleviate their situation? if they try then I will help. but if they don’t help themselves, how can I help them?
pxc
how come I can! why can’t they? The only power they may try to exert over me is the power of pity, which I already worked out a solution to. I just prayed with our Cardinal and I see a thread of immaturity. One must work hard! Though there is a degree of chance, but if there is no work, there is not even chance.
Tell me one thing the poor, any poor have done to eleviate their situation.
So if you were poor one day due to old age for example,
and could not work, would you like it if the government did not supply any finantial support for you?
You have contradicted yourself in your quote.
The usual bible-abuse that ive come to hate…
[66- prl2]
“There is no more glorious a place then within a man’s own faulty reasonings.”
So PoR, you feel rather holy and glorious at the moment?..
Dan~
even if I made a contradition I would feel Holy and glorious all the same.
you are making a hypothetical situation which would never eventuate. but even it if does. I would not want to beg but to work. if I can’t work then I die. now this is different to an old man who worked for society all his life and that society in his old age OWES him money. it is only just to give back what is owed, so in that case he expects money for he has WORKED FOR IT!
“How can I help others when they don’t even help themselves?”
How about by teaching people?
How about setting a good example?
How about by displaying kindness?
Is that too much trouble for you?
You just said they couldn’t!
Ask yourself.
And by the way:
TheAdlerian
I do
I am
depends if they are worthy
depends if they are worthy.
pxc
I mean, how can I help those that can’t be bothered to help themselves
merry christmas and happy new year!
“depends if they are worthyâ€
How do you judge that?
“ I mean, how can I help those that can’t be bothered to help themselvesâ€
How do you know that?
“merry christmas and happy new year!”
You are a liar.
John 12:1-8 “…You will always have the poor with you…”
solve the problem and make jesus out to be a liar?
while this is the dream of certain leftists (exposing the bible as lies), it isn’t happening (either the exposition or solving the scourge of poverty)…
-Imp
Hold a gun to their heads…
TheAdlerian
if they bother to help themselves or not.
what are you ranting about?? stop venting your rage when I am having a serious discussion.
I wonder if I am the one who denid the existence of the race! thereby denying the very possibility for a racial existence. meaning I am the architect of genocide. I wonder who is the hateful liar.
someone…
you are absolutely right!!!
I like the ‘soilent green’ solution to the problem of poverty 
.
PoR,
How do you deem yourself to be the Judge of the Worthy. You are President PoR Blasphemer.
That’s fine while you’re where you are, but I don’t think you realize how precarious your position in society is.
A substantial crash of the markets could force your company to ‘let you go’… other businesses to put off hiring… banks to take your home (or you 're forced to sell it) and, wham! you’re on the street with the other food ingredients.
There’s a decision model I like where the two parties put forward a proposition without knowing what side the judge will assign them. Its sometime used in divorce settlements and the like to divide the spoils.
Understandably, it has the magic effect of forcing people to imagine themselves on the other side because, in reality, they have a 50-50 chance of being there. They therefore are remarkably generous to the other side as a means of hedging their bet.
I’m astounded that this model is not used far more often and in far more important matters – like poverty.
Wow, KM, you really think all people are equal in capability, ambition, and intelligence, to the point of believing EVERYONE is on equal footing and stands a 50/50 chance of success/failure?
You live in a dream world son.
Most of the destitute are so because of their own doing, and stay so because of their own doing.
I’d never get eaten. I came from the bottom, and everything I have (which is plenty) I got myself. These beggars with their ‘poor me’ attitudes should be so lucky to be a meal for one such as myself.
Satanical,
I can’t help but agree with you on a certain level.
Then again, dogs are dumb right? Even the strongest, the most ambitious sometimes loose their footing, or something gives way, or they just accidentally locked out of the house. I feel like by your logic you should just turn your back on the dog out in the cold. The latch on the door may be such that if the dog kept jumping up and beating at it with enough sheer perserverance he should unlatch the door - but what if he freezes to death before he does?
You’re right… people without a drive have no one but their selves to blame really, but do not confuse people with truly no ambition whatsoever with someone who was at one time quite normal, but simply had some unfortunate luck and is struggling to stay alive out in the cold. How many people on the streets do you think actually have no drive whatsoever… those people exist but it’s human instinct to compete, to be heard and recognized.
No matter how close to hypothermia the dog gets, all it takes is a little compassion… a simple turn of the door handle to save the life of someone who is simply not as intelligent, or socially aware. You have to keep in mind too that alot of these people are not mentally handicapped in a visible way… but many have learning disabilities, poor writing skills… things like that.
You know this isn’t such a black and white issue… we’re not all born equal like you said, and where you could be one of those people who has a horseshoe up their ass (like I’m ashamed to feel like sometimes), there are people there who just seem to continually run into bad luck.
You’re situation is more fragile than you think. If you have an stroke that leaves you as nothing more than a shell of who you used to be in terms of intellectual capacity… you’ll likely understand.
Dr Sat, Forget about the model for now. It’s a subject in itself and the 50-50 risk obviously only relates to a two party disputes. In hindsight, I shouldn’t have mentioned it here.
So let me emphasis the one key point I was trying to make: You are one economic crisis away… one personal tragedy away… one accident away… one physical disease away… or one nervous breakdown away from moving back to the poor side of the tracks and this time you may be physically or emotionally incapable of getting up again.
If you truly accept that ALL poor people (including yourself if you should fall) be treated the same way, then we don’t have an issue.
If after falling, you start making excuses as to why you should be treated differently, and how it wasn’t your fault… the bad luck…etc then I DO have a problem. I’m tired of people who, from the comfort of their arm chairs give the thumbs down to those they have no knowledge of and yet cry for mercy when it happens to them. That’s my point.
Ironically, not only do I believe we are NOT equal in our capacities and successes but we are also NOT equal in our incapacities and our failures (and thus poverty). To treat all failures (poverty) the same is, in effect, saying we are all equally responsible for our failures, which is nonsense. Life is far more complex and random than that.
Wow. The compassion is just dripping… For those who have decided that povert is a choice, better hope that in all your ‘secure world’ that nothing ever disturbs it. I have nothing but contempt for those who will not take advantage of an opportunity to better their position in life, but to suggest that those in poverty are uniformly alcoholics, gamblers, or other ner’e-do-wells is to ignore those blind-sided by the viccitudes of life. One of the social ‘diseases’ not mentioned here is the disease of hopelessness caused by the relentless grinding down by an uncaring society. Many of those in poverty who appear to not help themselves have been taught be their society to not have hope. It’s much cheaper to destroy hope than it is to give people the impression that they can succeed in their lives.
But hey, we’ve got ours. Screw them.
JT