Only man is fit to be God.

[Greatest_I_am]

@zinnat13

@Greatest I am

Only man is fit to be God.

It is still sub-judice. That is exactly what Satan asked Adam.

There is no higher form of intelligent life as far as we can tell with any confidence.

If you are so sure about that, why are you using the term as far as?
And, what if it comes true beyond your this as far as?

Man has already proven that he can produce better laws than any of the Gods so to want to have man led by a God with less moral values would be like us electing Satan.

Which laws? Please mention.

We are a part of the animal kingdom. In this kingdom, all animals look to their own kind for guidance and the best rules for them to live their lives by. These they learn from instincts.

So, basically you are saying that humans are not much different from the animals and we should follow their morals?
That is the greatest moral guideline that i ever came across.
Well done.

Man seeks the same best rules to live life by and not only uses his instincts and feelings, he also uses his intellect and reason.

A moment ago, you were telling that animals should be our role models to decide morals.
Never mind. I stand corrected.

Religions would have us emulate some absentee Gods while knowing that they are less moral and intelligent in their laws than man.

What? That is again a discovery to me.
Would you please tell me which relgion ever asked to follow the God?
As far as my knowledge goes, religions asked to emulate only the messangers of the God, not the God per se.

That is why religions tend to not try to have holy laws put into our societies. They are way too draconian.

Agian, you did not mention which laws are draconian and how? Please elaborate.

If all other animals emulate their fittest as God, in the sense of the best rules for life,

Okay. So, which is the fittest human to be taken as God?
Obama? Putin? Hitler? Mao? After all, they were all rulers, or not, and we have to choose one of those? Right?

then why do some humans want to follow what can only be called an alien God?

That may be their chioce. Let them do what they want to do and do what you want to do. They may have found some valid reasons. Why are you bothered and want to impose your choice on those? Do we not live in the democracy?

Humans should rule over humans. No alien God should ever be let to rule over us even if one did show up.

That is right. And, as ar as my knowledge is concerned, i am not aware of any instance when the God ever ruled humans, unless you enlighten me!

The God never asked that he want to rule humans. Did he not make Adam the wholesole inchanrge of the earth?

Do you agree and if not, why not?

As usual, there is nothing to agree with.

Regards
DL

with love,
sanjay

When you start thinking the wrong way, it is hard to come back to the right way.

“A moment ago, you were telling that animals should be our role models to decide morals.”

At no time did I indicate this. You are either deliberately lying or just did not read it right.

Get the quote and we can see who screwed up.

Would you follow some non-human master or God?

As to Adam and dominion over the earth, God is an Indian Giver it seems as he then gave it to Satan.

Or are you saying that the temptation of Christ never happened because Satan did not have the dominion to tempt Jesus with?

Regards
DL

[UglyHarris]

@Greatest I am

@UglyHarris

True, I don’t actually believe God exists, though. Also, we live in a world governed by the laws of man, not the laws of god.

However, having said that, it might be argued that immorality exists because God has a get-out clause:

I believe Zizek says something to this effect. You can do what you want because of God, rather than do anything you want because God doesn’t exist. That is, because God will forgive you, you can commit atrocities. If God wasn’t lenient at all, and everybody knew that they would burn for eternity when they die for any sin sin, no matter how small, they would not commit sins at all.

That would go against scriptures that say the vast majority of us will end in hell. We bad bad people are on that wide road to hell, while the very few are on the narrow road to heaven.

Regards
DL

I understand God to have the capacity for absolute forgiveness, and that he will exercise this forgiveness if you pray to him before you die. I just typed ‘where in the bible does it say god will forgive all your sins’ in google and the top result that came up was 1 John 1:9: biblehub.com/1_john/1-9.htm (there are all the different versions there)
To me, that is saying that God will forgive you if you admit your sins.

So your last response was irrelevant.

[James_S_Saint]

@Greatest I am

Would you follow some non-human master or God?

Absolutely.
Would you follow some human master(s) as if he was a god?

[Greatest_I_am]

@UglyHarris

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I understand God to have the capacity for absolute forgiveness, and that he will exercise this forgiveness if you pray to him before you die…

You mean God did not have to demand the murder of his son. Nice.

Then why did he do such a sinful thing?

Who is more likely to demand a human sacrifice? Satan or God?

Regards
DL

[Greatest_I_am]

@James S Saint

@Greatest I am

Would you follow some non-human master or God?

Absolutely.
Would you follow some human master(s) as if he was a god?

That is all any of us have ever followed.

What has been said of God that was not said by a man?

What words has God ever spoken except in delusional minds?

Regards
DL

[James_S_Saint]

@Greatest I am

@James S Saint

@Greatest I am

Would you follow some non-human master or God?

Absolutely.
Would you follow some human master(s) as if he was a god?

That is all any of us have ever followed.

What people follow most is moronic ideas, such as:

@Greatest I am

What has been said of God that was not said by a man?
What words has God ever spoken except in delusional minds?

Regards
DL

[Greatest_I_am]

@James S Saint

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What people follow most is moronic ideas, such as:

@Greatest I am

What has been said of God that was not said by a man?
What words has God ever spoken except in delusional minds?

Regards
DL

You call it moronic but cannot refute anything.

Frustrating as hell. Right?

Regards
DL

[Moreno]

@Greatest I am

@James S Saint

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What people follow most is moronic ideas, such as:

@Greatest I am

What has been said of God that was not said by a man?
What words has God ever spoken except in delusional minds?

Regards
DL

You call it moronic but cannot refute anything.

Frustrating as hell. Right?

Regards
DL

You bear the onus. If we are to take your questions as implicit beliefs - iow assertions. Demonstrate you that, for example, only delusional minds have thought they heard God or whatever the implicit belief you have is in that ambiguous question.

[UglyHarris]

@Greatest I am

You mean God did not have to demand the murder of his son. Nice.

Then why did he do such a sinful thing?

I don’t pretend to understand the inner workings of god. Maybe child sacrifice was actually quite common back then? Maybe God didn’t demand it, that’s just what they said to justify the sacrifice?

Who is more likely to demand a human sacrifice? Satan or God?

I’m going with the third option: a man is more likely to demand a sacrifice than any mythological being.

Now, can you please actually return to the real argument. That is, could you please show me how a graded punishment system with no built-in forgiveness button is more moral than having the same punishment for all sin with the ability to forgive built in.

[phyllo]

the same punishment for all sin with the ability to forgive built in

That’s zero tolerance with built-in capriciousness.

[Greatest_I_am]

@Moreno

You bear the onus. If we are to take your questions as implicit beliefs - iow assertions. Demonstrate you that, for example, only delusional minds have thought they heard God or whatever the implicit belief you have is in that ambiguous question.

Onus piece #1.

youtube.com/watch?v=LNSe4Ff … r_embedded

Regards
DL

[Greatest_I_am]

@UglyHarris

@Greatest I am

You mean God did not have to demand the murder of his son. Nice.

Then why did he do such a sinful thing?

I don’t pretend to understand the inner workings of god. Maybe child sacrifice was actually quite common back then? Maybe God didn’t demand it, that’s just what they said to justify the sacrifice?

Who is more likely to demand a human sacrifice? Satan or God?

I’m going with the third option: a man is more likely to demand a sacrifice than any mythological being.

Now, can you please actually return to the real argument. That is, could you please show me how a graded punishment system with no built-in forgiveness button is more moral than having the same punishment for all sin with the ability to forgive built in.

I cannot in the way you have put the question but let me try to show why.

Our human system is graduated and does have a built in forgiveness button. It is called a victim report that courts ask for before sentencing. That tells the judge just how lenient or harsh he should be with his range of punishments.

As to your last, if that law would have a forgiveness clause, what would guide it. No victim report is ever asked for and the victims closure is ignored. That victimizes the victim again.

From a public safety POV, if a relatively minor criminal knows he will face the same sentence as a genocidal criminal, then he is more likely to kill any witnesses to his petty crime than not.

Society would then be shooting itself in the foot and hurting itself with such a draconian un-graduated penalty system.

Regards
DL

[Greatest_I_am]

@phyllo

the same punishment for all sin with the ability to forgive built in

That’s zero tolerance with built-in capriciousness.

Well put and accurate I think.

Regards
DL

[Imaal]

Man is found divine in the Word as his height approaches that of the Lord. Thus do the greatest exploits of man bring the full glory of life.

[Greatest_I_am]

@Imaal

Man is found divine in the Word as his height approaches that of the Lord. Thus do the greatest exploits of man bring the full glory of life.

Indeed. As do the exploits that bring our inhumanity to man via God’s will.

Nothing is divine that has not been named so by man.

Regards
DL

[Kriswest]

And there is no other sentient species in the universe?

[Greatest_I_am]

@Kriswest

And there is no other sentient species in the universe?

Not that we know of but the numbers are in their favor.

Regards
DL

[Kriswest]

And with those numbers there is a great probability that they would seek out habited worlds and affect outcomes.

[Greatest_I_am]

@Greatest I am

@Kriswest

And there is no other sentient species in the universe?

Not that we know of but the numbers are in their favor.

Regards
DL

It is more likely that they, like us, are inhibited by the speed of light and would likly never leave their local space. Just as we will not for many years.

Regards
DL

[Kriswest]

That would be true if they followed the same evolution speed, are about the same age. Our astronomers have not mapped or fully examined all planets or star systems. No way they can. Educated guesses is what they have. Even they admit that. Life as we know it may be rare but, even scientists admit there is a good probability intelligent life could form in different atmospheres.
A more evolved species that could be energy rather than physical could exist.
We know that our primitive energy in our brains can be measured/ seen/ heard with machines. Radio, TV, Sonar, radar, light etc. Can remain focused cohesive and carry information.
Our knowledge is young, science has just begun.
An ancient species will or could have so much more than us. Energy does not need a ship as we know it.
Just think about the real possibilities.