1: the activities or function of an engineer
2 a: the application of science and mathematics by which the properties of matter and the sources of energy in nature are made useful to people b: the design and manufacture of complex products
3: calculated manipulation or direction (as of behavior) — compare genetic engineering.
Alchemy
a medieval chemical science and speculative philosophy aiming to achieve the transmutation of the base metals into gold, the discovery of a universal cure for disease, and the discovery of a means of indefinitely prolonging life
2 : a power or process of transforming something common into something special
3 : an inexplicable or mysterious transmuting
Maybe both are born from the same root. Like you could say that in general rock and jazz have their roots in the blues. You wouldn’t generally say that rock is born from jazz. On the other hand there is certainly cross-influence between jazz and rock, especially with certain specific musical groups.
I think you misunderstood me. I’m saying that it might be fruitful to consider religion and science as something more like two siblings with the same parents.
I understand what you are saying. I look at philosophy and science as two siblings who’s parent is religion.
Religion was the first systemization to be born where philosophy and science came afterwards.
As a consequence of the two siblings science and philosophy being a extension of religion are often enough built upon many of the same presumptions on life or existence that are equally religious originating from their parent.
I don’t know what’s true concerning historical manifestations of religious phenomena versus technological phenomena. I think the impulse towards the two likely arises from the same source.
The way I look at it religious phenomena was the first of all abstracted phenomenas with the technological kind being a extension of it historically afterwards.
Civilization is operated on dreams, myths and desires of people’s collective consciousness.
Civilization is a play ground of a over reacting imagination which then transforms itself into technological innovation.
Religion has historically supplied science with the dreams, myths and desires first where technology was built upon later.
I think religion came from random accident out of ignorance and basless assumptions to soothe existential fear in living.
Now if that is the origins of religion where philosophy and science are the siblings of such religious platitudes what does that say for all constructed thought? Most people have the inability to see the origins of thought the way I do because they will say it is too pessimistic or that it offers no hope for anything. I’ll see if you can follow where I am going with all of this.
I am one of those people who reduce all thought to arbitrary absurdity.
Sure. But technology didn’t just come out by itself. It was guided by religious dreams, myths, and superstitions.
If you read ancient stories about magicians, sorcerers, shamans and witches they were nothing more than the emergence of the first scientists who hid their science from others in which the local populance called them magical from their abilities to bend and shape matter if you think about it.
Are you sure? I’ve never heard of the wheel coming from religion before. Are you saying the wheel started as a symbolic shape, and then found application in the realm of technology? Or that religious morals determined the shape of the wheel? Or that it was created to transport religious objects?
If people created religion, and people created technology, I see a distinct common denominator. If you assert that technology came from religion, rather than people, then you are agreeing with the various religious people who believe that religion came from, or was given by, an external source. Some people also say technology came from aliens…
Of course you can’t mean what you’re saying literally - but then you’d have to be much more specific about exactly what you’re trying to say. How was the birth of technology “guided by religious dreams, myths, and superstitions”?
Most people have the inability to see the origins of thought the way I do because they will say it is too pessimistic or that it offers no hope for anything. I’ll see if you can follow where I am going with all of this.