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I’m tired of the modern atheist movement with their tolerance and secularized perception of morality along with many of their naive notions of “humanism”.

Let’s be honest in telling people that when they die there will be nothing but emptyness to look forward to in a formalized nothingness where our bodies rot in the dirt filled with worms.

( Let’s teach that in biology classes in schools everywhere afterall in death our rotting corpse was all that comprised us in the first place.)

Let’s be honest in teaching the public that there exists no salvation, redemption or heaven for ourselves to take sanctuary in.

Let’s be honest about social behavior in people in that if people don’t get a college degree they can look forward to servitude and low wages in the class structure against their very own will for their entire lives if they don’t meet some narrow defined standardization by the elite.

Let’s be honest about how all the social hiearchies throughout history unto the present revolves around the master slave relationship where morality or cooperation is a childish fantasy.

Let’s be honest when we describe that there is no god in that we live in a cosmos uncaring and indifferent to our lamenting suffering where our existence is such that at anyday a asteroid or some other cosmic disaster could wipe our way of life in a mere second.

Let’s be honest when we describe the government as being a giant monopoly operated by the elite used to control the lives of other people.

I’m tired of watered down ideals and fatansies in the academic community. Where can I get some brutal honesty?

Or is all this dishonesty merely a example of the control of information that flows in the minds of people by the elite in that repressing certain types of information is intentional?

I once remembered a time when atheism considered itself a example of free thinking but anymore due to it’s secularization it has transformed itself into some naive “humanism” in that it doesn’t seem that different from your run of the mill average form of theism.

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We have each other at least!!! :sunglasses:

People will get there eventually–they will wake up… I think?

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Emptyness to look forward to? My, someone doesn’t understand their own doctrines! Who is looking forward?

Joker, you’re philosophy seems to boil down to the negative parts of Nietzsche without any of the positive parts. Let’s teach the public that these concepts, which don’t exist, are also non-important. If there’s nowhere else to go, salvation makes no sense. If, as you always remind us, morality is arbitrary, which it is, redemption makes no sense. Redemption from what?

Is this a culture thing? I have friends who haven’t got university degrees, left school and went and got training with companies, and are earning more than I’ll probably earn when I leave with my degree. (I’m in Britain)

I always thought the master-slave idea was really an over-simplification. Calling the rulers ‘masters’ imply they are in some kind of control, know where they are going, have a plan. They don’t. You seem to view morality as a grand conspiracy. Its not, its something that grew organically throughout human history.

Sad. I guess when you don’t suffer much it seems quite unimportant that there’s no caring God.

AGain, you give the masters way too much credit. Masters are invariably controlled by morality etc. They tend to think that what they do is for the general good. I guess my point is that in order to control masters need morality etc, but by forming these concepts they end up being equally controlled by them. George Bush, for example, sincerely believes he is doing Gods work.

What academics are you reading? Of course some academics pedal these ideals, academics are people too. I’ve read plenty of academic philosophy that I agree with, and I’m no more sold on most of these ideals than you are.

I don’t see atheism as a doctrine at all. Once you’ve decided against God, for whatever reason, you are an atheist, and what you do after that is really up to you. Anyway, atheism is hardly ‘free thinking’ anymore anyway.

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I’m writing a book right now that heavily criticizes politically correct humanism. It’s about a nihilist who dies and ends up in an actual “Heaven”. This “Heaven” is highly secular and extremely politically correct, discriminating against no one. It also exudes a sort of patronizing consumerist mentality since “Heaven” is a hotel-casino and theme park. I won’t spoil any more of it, but if you want to read the first two chapters, go here: http://thisisby.us/index.php/content/blind_and_toothless and here: http://thisisby.us/index.php/content/blind_and_toothless_1.

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That sounds like a good idea. Hopefully you can write, I’m filled with good ideas but I can’t write for shit.

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For a second there, I thought I was in the rant section.

Joker does not seem to realize that being honest is only one moral among others. His masters realize that is the case.

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I disagree. There are no inherent morals.

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One can be honest without being moral.

There is a reason why I said brutal honesty.

For instance:

If I hold a gun to someone’s head and told them that when I pull the trigger they will die that is what we call brutal honesty without morality.

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there are thievery and murder

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nope, not even those

there is nothing inherently good or evil in the universe

it’s all relative to valuation of the being involved

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I think there’s a big distance between saying there are no morals inherent in the universe and saying there are no inherent morals! Morals wouldn’t have to be inherent to the universe, just to humans, and could be inherent for reason of evolutionary advantage etc. Making morals as inherent as our need for friendship, love etc. Which, as things go, is pretty inherent.