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opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1076

Is the investigation into FOX by CNNBC a liberal bias? No. It’s called reporting the RELEVANT news.

Now, I don’t think we need anyone to point out that FOX is biased but what makes me sort of angry is that this is clearly CIA Cointel. Where are these memos coming from and who stands to benefit from this war? We already know that Rummy and the Bush’s are making personal money from this – a lot of it. Corporate Politics is no surprise, so why would Political News be so unfathomable?

This is solely about money, money that you won’t be seeing a dime of.

I do not understand people who support criminals stealing from them.

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Another point:

opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=1303

“I’m not really informed” – Danny Bonaduce

So then why are you on Fox News? Danny Bonaduce essentially admits to being a puppet. This is the type of stuff the CNNBC report was talking about. Scripted entertainment. Bonaduce is a puppet who they selected to speak because the throws around ‘Patriot’ ‘Treason’ and ‘Kill 9/11 advocates’.

Anyways I’ve been trying to figure out for a while now if Alex Jones and the man in that video (John Conner) are disinformation agents. For me the verdict is still out but it’s stuff like this that gets me to thinking.

For instance:

Why is FOX News the only station to really focus on the 9/11 Conspiracy Truth Movement?

Well the answer to this one seems intuitive – because we’re winning and they’re desperately trying to slander the facts with their moronic ad homs and ‘These traitors should be put to death’ type persuasion. If you watch O’Reilly at all you’ll see they’re essentially trying to gear up the public to go to war with people like me. According to O’Rielly I should be thrown into prison for what I’m saying – the same ww2 prisons for the Asians that Bush just signed an order to renovate.

Why only Fox News? Why aren’t the other stations really pushing this precarious issue as much as Fox News? It seems to me that it’s because on the other stations the audience is such that facts actually do get through, and anyone who isn’t afraid, or isn’t too proud to admit to the power of logic, common sense, and money trails, can easily see the truth of the matter.

It seems the plan is to try and discredit the theory through the only avenue retarded enough, and biased enough to achieve the goal they’re looking for – confusion and more disinformation. Fox News will be the first to tell you (while insisting how ‘unamerican’ it is to think that) the number of Americans who believe the gov’t either completely allowed 9/11 or set it up themselves (the same thing in effect) is now at 1/3. The number who believe the gov’t at least had prior knowledge and was complicit is around 86%.

Clearly they’re running scared and the plans seems to be the introduction of the Patriot attitude, treason as a substitute for the 2nd Amendment, and other such Nazi-esque type things. Is the aggressive, instrusive attitude taken by Conner and Jones actually all part of this ploy? Or has it simply been turned around on them whilst releasing unsubstantiated reports that Jones works for the Zionists?

Do you see the depth and complexity of what is going on here? The type of deceptive lengths Israel can and will go through to achieve their goals? If anyone else can explain why I’m wrong – why FOX NEWS of all places is giving sooooo much exposure to the 9/11 movement.

Even if the airtime is simply to call them silly names and throw out key words like ‘treason’ and ‘punishment’ and ‘patriot’ – it’s simply way way way too much work for an already dictative station to be ordered into unless they were scared.

Which they are.

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There’s a much simpler explanation. (I never watch Fox, so I’ll just take your word for it that they deal with this bunch.)

President Bush’s approval ratings are not just in the toilet, they’re flushed into the sewer. Until recently, the only thing he really had going for him was popular assessment of his handling of the so-called “war on terror.” Now, though, with the turn against him on the Iraq war, even that isn’t helping.

For most people, the criticism of Bush does not run to suspecting him of masterminding 9/11. Most people think that’s absurd. Most people, therefore, don’t take the Truth Movement seriously at all.

However, for Fox, they make a convenient diversion, a way to paint all Bush critics as whacked-out conspiracy theorists by implication. Instead of presenting the serious criticism of Bush, Fox therefore chooses to focus on this bunch, which are easily dismissed. That helps to reassure the wavering faithful, most of whom watch Fox.

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.

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That is a good point Nav.

I think that’s certainly part of the situation.

Actually most people do, 86% as I said. The assumption that most of the country is ‘against’ us is perhaps the most effective illusion the news organs have managed to perpetuate.

In any case, I could see your explanation as carrying a bit more weight if the Fox News segments dealing with the Conspiracy Facts didn’t (at this point) involve blatant containment camp desensitization half the time. It’s not so much ‘these people are unamerican we shouldn’t trust them on 9/11’ it’s literally ‘these people should be shot/locked away’ and then sometimes you’ll get some left gatekeeper defending the Conspiracy Fact representative saying ‘Well we have the right to free speech’ for a second before Hannity or whoever says that the -liberal gatekeeper- should be locked up.

It seems a little above and beyond calculated approval rating tactics. This seems to be desperation, imo. And why not? If 1/3rd of your country thinks you planned 9/11 I’d say it’s time to be scared alright.

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No, what you said was that 86% of those polled believe the government was in some way complicit and/or had prior knowledge. That would include me: I know that the U.S. backed Osama bin Ladin when he was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, and that alone makes the government complicit. I also know that U.S. policies in the Middle East are the reason why the U.S. is a target. That also makes the U.S. complicit. It is a huge stretch from this sort of thinking, though, to saying that the U.S. government planned and implemented the whole thing. I don’t believe that because it doesn’t make any sense. Bush had no reason to do that, because the ends he’s achieved by it (backing for his war in Iraq, and a blind eye to his disregard for the Constitution) could have been achieved much more simply and with less loss of life and less risk of exposure for his administration.

Beware of statistics. They seldom mean what you think they mean.

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That is my point though, Nav – you know they did it and don’t seem to really care. 9/11 is the axis upon which this entire war war rests.

I think you likely know more about that. I think you at least know Osama is a red herring.

You seem like a smart guy, so I don’t really have to show you all the insider trading, the money trails, the different economic anomalies or… stuff like Cheney saying that they’d lost . 2.3 trillion dollars on Sept. 10th. (The buildings and the pentagon just lead discussions in circles). So I guess my question to you is: If you think they were complicit but don’t think they planned it, is there really a difference? And once you officially ‘plan to let something happen’ don’t you end up aiding it anyways – to ensure that it in fact goes off? You know? You don’t get some Liberal Foreign interest to buy and ensure the Twin Towers – you get Silverstein.

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I have seen some Alex Jones material in the past weeks, so your comments come as a surprise.

This led me to some digging and I discovered an interesting character, Eustace Mullins, who I found wrote a book on the Federal Reserve in the early 50’s.

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=8667011121551944391&q

Anyways, I find it is not easy to judge who are the people with the disinformation without first hand knowledge.

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rather funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjfD-CJCb9U

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Yeah… me too.

Those were interesting vids though. I guess that’s all you can do – just sort of soak in the information.

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And follow intuition, even if this means having to reverse back up the rabbit hole later on…

Another funny vid, even thouhg I am not necessarily pulling for Bill here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAVI16FSjxU&mode=related&search=