I beleive the aspect of finding one’s self, and exploring one’s self is over complicated these days. Answer’s people search for are always there, yet for some reason we seem to over evaluate and complicate the process of finding these answer’s. What are your thoughts on this?
Welcome TBT,
There is more truth in the reality of what we are given than there is in all complex speculations. We have to start from where we are.
What do you mean by one’s self, exploring, and exploring one’s self?
what i mean is yourself…finding yourself, figuring out yourself, finding inner peace
‘over thinking and over analyzing separates the body from the mind’.
-MJK
Yourself means me… Finding myself implies that there my self is lost, or something of it is lost, figuring out yourself implies that there is something you don’t know about yourself, and finding inner peace implies that there is currently inner turmoil. Shit, I’ve got all these covered already. I guess I’m just perfect. Can’t help you, man.
I think a good way to explain this problem is using you own quotes (at the bottom of your posts):
We can say the experience of insanity effects intelligence.
Intelligence meaning how well competent we are in a specific area.
You may be intelligent when it comes to solving math problems, but very unskilled at the task of communicating with others, low social intelligence.
Of course, social intelligence involves a culture’s interpretation of the proper way to commuicate.
[i]Note: We may determine that certain kinds of social behaviors are not intelligent choices, meaning that they are based either on any animal, any species instinct, a group instinct, or an individual instinct.
Example: We, and all animals, avoid physical pain; humans learn language (instinct is a trained tool that works in a certain situation, even if the instinct is maladaptive or man-trained); the group has a unique language (a language unique as in not everyone can speak it, it makes the group of speakers stand out to those who don’t speak it) and communication in general, as a culture identifies other forms of communication–body, facial, proximity, any actions anyone can take besides the use of words.
–There’s a lot of debate about whether it is communication if it is not received (by a listener, or the targed listener specifically) or meant intentionally sent by the communicator, but we can say that communication is really just the process of one getting information from another. Communication is, at its core, a survival of the species campaign (even if this survival was the result of selfish behavior).
So I would only limit the definition of communication to whether or not the communicator purposefully willed the message to a target that did not receive it (this refers only to the message that was willed; if you will message A to be sent, and message B is received (whether by the intended receiver or someone else) than message B will be communication to the receivers of it (receivers a message is dependent on using the building blocks of what their brain already uses (the blocks contain bits of information, the brain is the machinery that organizes them into patterns, and the mind is the willfull use of that machinery).
A specific, intended message is not communication if it does not serve its purpose. It sparks a different interpretation by a receiver, which is a new message (because messages are bits of information to use as blocks).
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How intelligent one is depends on the interpretation of the receivers.
The building blocks in most people’s head arrange to show intelligence along with adaptability. The most intelligence gets the most rewards (prized by the culture) and has the highest survival advantage.
This is the way the way huge cultures interpret personal success; the goal is to have “the american dream.” As much personal comfort as possible.
Intelligence, how people receive messages from everything around them and then responding to those messages (the messages determining your actions) depends on a receiver’s interpretation of the behavior.
An artist may know his work is good, and confident in his ability to make it as a painter, an authority figure (who represents a certain cultural idea) may tell him it is stupid, impractical.
So, where this intelligence can take the culture, and every individual in it, takes us is unknown; on one side of the scale there is an attempt to truthfully communicate what is one’s mind to another person, which is a very difficult thing to do with words, and on the other- to work on autopilot (a state where you don’t willfully attempt to buildnew block structures, but just react according to what patterns you’ve already built) stereoptyping a person from an initial message you received (whether it was truly sent or fabricated in interpretation).
Insanity is an interpretation based on one’s lack of adaptability to a certain situation.
One can be insane one day, living poorly, refusing to get a full time job, and furiously writing his notes whenever he isn’t earning his liviing, and in 10 years be known as a great genius–after their thoughts have revolutionized a kind of knowledge useful (or at least priased) in an altered culture.
Our minds are prisons in the sense that they restrict us from seeing the world “outside” of us. Of course, some people are able to push back the walls, and build a window or two.
One who thinks according to a certain culture’s will interpret often interpret someone who does not follow that culture is wierd. If they are from another culture, there is an excuse, as they are sane within their own culture, but if an individual using his own patterns (not those that fit into another culture’s kinds of patterns) behaves in ways that just don’t make sense according to a culture’s interpretation of how people should act, the person is “damaged” mentally (due to their lack of proper function in the gears of the culture).
But insanity, of course, is just a word that refers to one’s inability to perform actions that fit into a pattern applying to an idealized goal or result.
One can be labeled insane by others, and believe it themself because he accepts similar ideals of action, or he can disagree, believing a different ideal to which he directs his actions; and believing the others are insane because they act otherwise.
So, you are saying that the reason we over complicate things (or undercomplicate things) is because of the way we communicate with others and ourselves? If that is what you are saying then I would have to agree, of course there are other factors but I think you hit the major one.
Also, I would like to know how you would create a window to someone else’s reality. In my opinion, reaching someone elses reality is impossible because we all perceive things differently. This is why I used the word prison in my quote, because we are confined to our own perceptions and ideas. We may see and understand other perceptions or ideas, but rarely are they exactly as someone else sees them. I stated that we are all insane because as you said sanity depends on ones perception of normal, and as I have said we all see things differently.
Great quote, but has at least two meanings as I see it (beneficial and harmful). Does this mean contemplation of x too intensely makes one stray from the true objective of finding x, or does it mean that contemplation of x (deeply, or fanatically) allows to raise above bias of the body or physical?
Such as?
The self is what we seem to assume that which was or will transcend or otherwise as some would call it just “what is”, however said; the essence of the self which being the common thread on which many have tread could never be complete…
The indiscerptibility of the fact is that which seems to confound as a fragmental approach would be much easier as we are conditioned to reason with divisions…
Indeed, one could say that the very project of ‘finding yourself’ is an over-complication in the first place.
Such as our purpose in life…if you are christian it is to be as good of a person as you can be in order to achieve the goal of reaching heaven. If you have no religion then you have no purpose in life but you can give yourself a purpose. For example you could study the human mind and try to achieve world peace. You guys seem to be EXTREMELY literal so I will put it more literaly. Answer’s people search for are almost always right in front of their face.