Oxfam and intuitionism

So you wake up, you trot downstairs to check the post and lo and behold, you have a letter from Oxfam or some other similar charity asking you to donate ‘just 30 pounds’ to save several children from dying of preventable diseases in Africa. If you’re like me you may have ignored at least one such letter in your lifetime, and not felt very guilty about doing so.

Is the conspicuousness of a situation the root of our intuition to act in a certain way? Is this a logical position to maintain? I don’t think so - if we consider an example such as where we have the opportunity to solve a lesser problem such as the ill health of a neighbour or colleague by paying out a larger sum (say 300 pounds) many people might claim it is worse to refuse (assuming you can afford it) then it is to refuse the Oxfam letter appeal.

you can always do what sam kinnison said…

""I’m like anyone else on this planet – I’m very moved by world hunger. I see the same commercials, with those little kids, starving, and very depressed. I watch those kids and I go, ‘Fuck, I know the FILM crew could give this kid a sandwich!’ There’s a director five feet away going, ‘DON’T FEED HIM YET! GET THAT SANDWICH OUTTA HERE! IT DOESN’T WORK UNLESS HE LOOKS HUNGRY!!!’

But I’m not trying to make fun of world hunger. Matter of fact, I think I have the answer. You want to stop world hunger? Stop sending these people food. Don’t send these people another bite, folks. You want to send them something, you want to help?

Send them U-Hauls. Send them U-Hauls, some luggage, send them a guy out there who says, 'Hey, we been driving out here every day with your food, for, like, the last thirty or forty years, and we were driving out here today across the desert, and it occurred to us that there wouldn’t BE world hunger, if you people would LIVE WHERE THE FOOD IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT! NOTHING GROWS OUT HERE! NOTHING’S GONNA GROW OUT HERE! YOU SEE THIS? HUH? THIS IS SAND. KNOW WHAT IT’S GONNA BE A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW? IT’S GONNA BE SAND! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT! GET YOUR STUFF, GET YOUR SHIT, WE’LL MAKE ONE TRIP, WE’LL TAKE YOU TO WHERE THE FOOD IS! WE HAVE DESERTS IN AMERICA – WE JUST DON’T LIVE IN THEM, ASSHOLES!"

-Imp

This subject is very topical what with, er, so many stubborn Africans and unhelpful film crews. What Imp might have missed is that if the position outlined is indeed illogical then it is not right for ethicists to take our intuitive reactions as being determinative of the moral value of such situations.

wow. thats amazing.
aside from the ‘difficulties’ with your solution:

regardless of what tv told you, people dont live in deserts, they live in settlements with farmable land, if possible.

This can be complicated however, for example, some countries forbid the building of any structure without planning permission and this planning permission costs money that not all folk have. So, without being able to build a home near sources of reliablish water, etc, they have to go elsewhere, next to less fertile land with less reliable water.

Sometimes crops fail, for various reasons, the weather being the kindest. Government overtaxation, armed gangs, armies which are ‘foraging’, etc.

Obw, you are right of course. We are pretty much incapable of seeing a problem as ‘real’ until we see it infront of us. I mean, why the hell do dog charities exist at all?

guilt is a wonderful tool…

-Imp

Hi Obw: Your question begs another? Are we, in this globalized, wired-village morally linked to everyone else? That is, does one have an immediate, positive duty to take action regarding situations to which one would not normally be linked? My guess is that we don’t in many and perhaps most situations.
My answer turns on the notion of whether you or I as individuals have a personal, moral duty to help people in need whose lives do not directly touch ours. I would say that we, as a global community should take action, as a community. I don’t believe however that you, Obw for instance, have a personal reason which would obligate you under such circumstances. The ease with which a request like that is made is not matched by a reciprocal duty. The duty lies first with the governments of these regions, not to mention individuals and groups who are more directly linked. Of course they require help from outside and I believe we should help in some capacity. But how? I don’t know. Does anyone?
Cheers, MRJ

Hi MRJ, welcome to the forums.

You raise a fine point - and make a good case for why we might not worry about one in favour of the other. Unger’s argument against intuitionism, to which this question should be credited, first deals with the question of our obligation not to let others die.

I might assume that your point also nods to an argument of futility - that however many 30 pounds we send to africa, many more children will still die. Whereas, our neighbour or friend can be helped to an end right here and now.

I agree with the sentiments of your political argument that it is the duty of governing bodies primarily and not ours. This is of course correct but the problem remains of what is right, as I imagine you do not want to have that determined by ‘whose job it is’. It might not be my job (or duty) to help my neighbour either, moreso a physician or richer man, but I would still like to do it and consider it a right action to have done.

Indeed, the conspicuousness of the situation is the key to your determination that it is less wrong to refuse the oxfam appeal than your close-linked friend but I’m not convinced that conspicuousness is a property to weigh quite so heavily.

Yes, I agree with you Obw that conspicuousness is not the determining property in moral situations. I believe it s a matter of how one defines
‘a reason to act.’ I’ll explain later, I’m off to work. Bye for now.
MRJ

Hi Obw. I don’t believe conspicuousness should normally be a determining factor in moral considerations. For me it’s a feature which may or may not correlate with a particular situation. In fact I would say the degree to which conspicuousness tracks moral judgement is quite coincidental. Certainly what we do in those inconspicuous moments, when no one is watching is perhaps more telling of our moral characters.

In my opinion, moral considerations revolve around our reasons for action. My own perspective on the nature of reasons is poised somewhere between those of Bernard Williams and the neo-Kantians. Reasons, as Williams claims are subjective features and in some sense, must attach to the agent. However, reasons do also involve objective, universal considerations and in that sense, I would agree with the Kant and many neo-Kantians that a reason for moral action must be law-like.
So to synthesize those two viewpoints, a moral agent must ‘subjectively’
first perceive and secondly, assent to the ‘objective’ moral law.

In your example of the request from Oxfam, I do not believe it is incumbent upon you to donate, whether or not your action is conspicuous. I’m not making an argument against charity, just that the very definition of charity suggests that it involves voluntary, hence non-dutiful acts.

Reciprocity is an essential feature of morality. To say that one is morally required to act in such-and-such a manner implies that if one balks at that requirement, then one is to blame and therefore morally culpable.

Any one agent cannot be held responsible for the fate of large group whose circumstances are in no discernible way linked to the actions of the agent in question. Duty is a necessitating kind of reason whereas (IMO) regular reasons occupy that sphere of more or less subjective and prudential judgements. Any duty must take into consideration the requirements and capacities of both agent and recipient. In that sense, any one individual cannot be responsible for the fate those multitudes alluded to in your example. More to the point, duty in this instance attaches more to those who are more closely linked to the recipients. That’s why I mentioned governments etc. in my first post. It’s not only their ‘jobs’ in the technical sense, governments have a moral relationship to the citizens as do the fellow citizens of those afflicted with the dire circumstances.

I’ll stop there. It’s a big subject. Suffice it to say that I agree with you that conspicuousness is normally not given much weight if any. It’s merely a coincidental feature. Any reason to give to charity for example, involves considerations which should not, again IMO, relate to how we ‘feel’ about the publicity or lack of such, in a particular situation.
Cheers, MRJ

no guilt is even more conveniant

I actually feel that there’s something in that ‘you idiot, just move to somewhere where there is food’ issue. We in the west presume that humans should be able to live anywhere on the earth when no other similar creature has anything like that range. The fact is that all those people would have died eventually anyway and all we are really doing is subsidising a culture which in the natural scheme of things should die out.

It’s not that I have no sympathy with the impoverished but I certainly don’t have sympathy for impoverished per se. Some poor people are poor because they are lazy, apathetic, would prefer not taking risks and constantly living on the generosity and sympathy of others and have absolutely no desire to change their lives. Not all of them, not even the majority of them (probably), but a significant number. Because we look at them and by our standards of living think that they are impoverished we effectively force our help onto them…

The fact is that most of the African continent has little interest in or knowledge regarding economic development - that’s very much a western perception. You could throw immense amounts of money at the problem and see it swallowed up by corruption and poor government.

one of the reasons why oxfam’s fair trade is so vital

True true…

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Hello F(r)iends,

Has anyone ever gone to a public park with ducks? Have you ever seen the signs that say: please do not feed the ducks? Why do you think that is? Or simply, do not feed the animals? If you provide for these ducks a diet in addition to their natural habitat you are providing a crutch that wasn’t intended by nature. You are creating a situation that sustains ducks that nature on its own could not sustain.

Africa isn’t much different. Do not feed the people… Let them starve.
I for one, couldn’t let a child starve… or a duck. I am too weak.

-Thirst

they don’t want you feeding the ducks because it makes more duck shit…

-Imp

Hello F(r)iends,

Well, reducing the amount of duck shit is good thing.
Perhaps if there were less human shit…

-Thirst

water, water everywhere - and all the boards did shrink…
water, water everywhere - yet not a drop to drink…

-Imp

Hi MRJ, thanks for your reply. Your position is of course consistent and although not my own I can appreciate its logic. The bit I have highlighted above is the only part I would comment on only to say that perhaps this is again asking us to deal with the issue of conspicuousness. If the starving children were on your doorstep (thereby the only changing factor being the conspicuousness) it seems your position would mean you then would do what is necessary to feed them. The agent becomes involved…merely by the conspicuousness of the situation. It is this (if I have you right) that is the problem.

If we assume, for the purposes of this thread, that it is our obligation not to let people die (yes, big assumption but not without good argument) then we can look at the issue in more light.

If the explanation for our intuitive reaction to the oxfam appeal if the conspicuousness of the situation, which I feel it is in most cases, then any moral view that takes as final the intuitive response we give to an issue is unreliable.

Hi Obw: The example you give of the starving people at my doorstep does force the argument to its logical conclusions. I would still maintain however that conspicuousness is not, in and of itself, a reason for action.
However, I would claim that if let us say, death or some kind of harm was immanent for one of those people, then it would be my duty to take action. But the conspicuousness is only coincidental if by conspicuous you mean an element of ‘publicity,’ in the more generic sense of that word.

Conspicuousness is not ‘the’ reason. Rather, the reason is the immediate needs of the recipient and his/her practical (and moral) relationship to the agent. That relationship. If the one person dies your doorstep and you could have prevented it, then you are in my opinion partly, and I stress partly, responsible. The trompe d’oeuil here is that conspicuousness converges with the reason but it is not the actual reason. It’s the needs of the recipients in relation to the fact that they are now within your field of practical agency. But that doesn’t mean that conspicuousness is by itslelf the reason. The reaso has more to do with one’s practical ability to alleviate the situation in combination with one’s moral culpability ‘for’ the situation. If they come to my doorstep and I am seriously incapacitated, then the conspicuousness of the situation does not obligate me to act on their behalf. My own practical limitations and needs come into play here. Add to that the fact that I am not morally responsible for the onset of their circumstances.

So again, it s not the conspicuousness itself, it’s the requirements of the recipient and your responsibility to the recipient. If they’re on your doorstep, you’re not the one responsible for their predicament.
Besides, if they are on your doorstep, they should be conspicuous to others as well, including government. If they walk by everyone else in your neighbourhood but your neighbours simply decide to avoid gazing at them and turn away, then the starving people are now less conspicuous to them. Is it that easy to avoid moral responsibility?

Therefore I want to also stress that the fact that they made it to your doorstep does not negate the moral responsibility of institutions such government to help alleviate their situation. The prior duty here belongs to government. That’s not a cop out, what I mean is that government is a ‘proxy’ for ‘all of us’ and truly, that is where the moral responsibility lies. It is not your moral duty to save all those people. That’s an undue and excessive moral weight upon any one individual. I would only add that yes, in many, perhaps most situations, conspicuousness will be a coincidental feature of an agent’s moral responsibility to the recipient. But if I happen to father a child during my stay here in China, then just because I return home to Canada does not remove my moral responsibilities to the child.
The fact that the circumstances of child and mother are no longer conspicuous to me does not negate my duties to them. Conspicuousness then, is circumstancial and not substantial to the reason

I must admit that what makes your example difficult is the ability in these modern times of mass and instant communication, to make a distant event conspicuous even if we have no direct connection to such an event. That capacity, to bring such things to our doosteps or to our computer screens by a simple keystroke, does complicate the morality a little. What I would do is back it up a step and ask: Does the party making that request, whether they be Oxfam or people at your door, have a right to add so much moral responsibility to any one individual, per your example? My answer would be no, they don’t. They have a right to make the request but reciprocally, you should have the right to refuse. That reciprocity of right-to-right is I believe, an important aspect. Their right to make the request does not imply an automatic duty on your part.
But in the end, conspicuousness is not ‘the’ normative feature. It may be present but only coincidentally.
Cheers, MRJ