Paganism: the natural state of being?

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You misquotd me, this is what I posted:

It is clear that I wasn’t saying what the text was saying.

This is a typical example of how we can misunderstand what sin is. Sin is missing the mark, which in my understanding comes from not knowing who we are. The point of Jesus using the word Abba is to show that we are his offspring. Paul picks this up as well.

In his speech to the people of Athens at the Areopagus, recorded in Acts 17:28-29, Paul says: “For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill”.

My position is to show that this ignorance is the source of so much pain and suffering, which is what I explain here:
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Nihilistic spirituality for herd psychologies.

Paganism worships the real, no matter how harsh.
Adapt or die.
There is no salvation.
There is no eternal life, other than through self-replication.

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Best way to honor the gods is to remain true.
Use words properly, grounding them in the soil, in the physical, the experienced, before ascending towards the metaphysical, atop mount Olympus.
Hubris is blasphemy.

Worshiping foreign gods, nihilistic constructs, like the god of the |Jews, is also blasphemy.
You dishonor the gods and your ancestors.
Remain true to your past - remain in harmony with it.

Identity is a continuum, linked by memories - such as DNA and experiential.

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How can one dishonor one’s dead ancestors…the dead know nothing… unless you claim to be able to converse with yours.

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Yes, people, especially within the modern pagan faith of Hellenism, claim to communicate with Greek gods, employing methods like prayer, automatic writing, dreams, and even what they describe as waves of insight or powerful feelings from the deities. These claims often involve interpreting signs from nature, sacrifices, and seeking direct divine guidance, similar to practices in Ancient Greece, where oracles and seers provided insight from the gods.

WOW!

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@Kallikantzaros

I can dig it. :clown_face: :+1:

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To MrAuthoritarian
Yet you reject your past and certainly are not in harmony with it!

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@reason4emotion

I am French, Spaniard, and Sephardic.

I hate my own Jewish roots because I detest Abrahamism as a whole. I think Zionism is nonsense.

If we went with my French and Iberian Spaniard ancestors there would be Celtic Druidism or during ancient Roman occupation a very Latinized form of Hellenism. Either way I am comfortable being just a simple humble Buddhist man, but I do agree with Satyr that Europe would of done better historically without both Christianity and Judaism. That entire cult of Abraham has been Europe’s misfortune.

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The clouds surrounding the mountain were seen as connecting the earthly realm to the divine, and ancient Greeks held offerings and performed rituals on its sacred slopes. While the exact location of the mythological Olympus is debated, the real Mount Olympus in Greece became identified with this sacred space and was a significant site for worship.

You are in no position to give advice to anyone.

Go communicate with your ancient Greek gods.

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The American Empire.
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Protestants and Jews rejected Catholicism and Christian Orthodoxy guided by the ancient gnostic doctrine that men, individual men, could access divine knowledge - occult - and create their individual worlds, each based on his understanding of totalitarian divine order.

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I would suspect that it was mainly about corralling money and power for their new dominions/domains.. religion is a ruse, after-all.

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Yes…

Money = secular salvation

Power = freedom.

For these Hebraic circumcised psyche’s freedom must be a metaphysical independence from physical reality.

This is their understanding of Nietzsche’s Will to Power.

Many of Nietzsche’s Bitches reject free-will, so their worldview is more in accordance with Abrahamic doctrine. Their subjectivity is a reflection of divine will (determinism). they are cosmic minion - Platonic shadows of divine light. The cave is their own skull.

All believe that power must lead to a separation from natural order. This is the only kind of freedom they can acknowledge - metaphysical independence (detachment) from physical reality….all alternatives are considered ‘illusory’…. dismissed as not enough.

Absolutist psychosis.

Absolutism remains with the same paradigm - If absolute oneness (thingness, god, singularity) is impossible then absolute nothingness will suffice. they need certainty…even if it means they must remain slaves to a master - preferably a faceless, formless, intangible abstracted master, to protect their ego.

A will can only be considered free if it becomes omnipotent…and Gnosticism offers omniscience as a method.

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The secret is ADVERSITY……

What does not kill me makes me stronger….

No pain, no gain….

Peace and comfort stagnate…..life is diminished.

Races are distinguished by their isolation and development wihtin adverse environments…creating racial differences across the board, but more importantly intellectual differences, psychological differences.

Race = subspecies of homo sapient. Created as all diversity is created…..

Species & Subspecies (Races) = Time + Isolation + Environmental Conditions + Random Factors

These manifest psychosomatic differences. As appearance and behavior.

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Only to a certain extent.

The transition from chimpoids, the missing link, into humanoids… brute force culling gave life to the cunning.

In practical terms, day to day, science labs and scientists do not need conflict and drama. Conflict and drama is an Abrahamic thing, Dark Ages thing… Universities do not need conflict, wars and drama… It has the opposite effect on development.

The exact formula is about 35%… the brain needs about 35% stress to function optimally… 35% stress could just be from competitive sports, exercise, or playing violent videogames.

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Not conflict…a challenge.

Adversity = challenging.

The brain, like a muscle, needs stress to maintain and to grow…. comfort atrophies.

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How so?

..an interesting notion, though I do think that omniscience is misinterpreted as needing to be some ‘all seeing eye’ when its probably more a general sense of understanding.

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Understanding requires total, complete, knowledge.

One can have knowledge without understanding (see computers) but not understanding without knowledge.

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..and vice versa.
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I like my knowledge with a side of understanding, for knowledge is not complete without it.
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Gnosticism offers omniscience as a method.

Is that what you practice?

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Absolutes do not exist - no singularity.

No complete whole…no perfection.

I include chaos in existence….so order is not total…..meaning, absolute knowledge and understanding is impossible. ergo omniscience is impossible.

Computer have knowledge with zero understanding.

Knowledge = data, patterns.

Understanding = patterns underlying patterns.

Practically - if one tells a computer that 1+1=2 and 2+2= 4, and askes it to answr.

What does 3+3=?

It cannot….

Modern AI is different. A is acquiring understanding….or what they call sentience.

That is to freely figure out problems with a given set of data- precedent.

This is what differentiates life….

Life = will. Intentionality.

What differentiates higher from lower life?

Understanding - pattern recognition.

That is why they deny races…it cut to the core of what allowed humans to dominate other species - larger, stronger, faster, more prolific, durable species…dominated by fragile humans.

Understanding.

And why did some races dominate others?

Same.

What naturally selects fr understanding, or pattern recognition?

Adversity.

Problem solving is cultivated by problems……and it atrophies when there are no challenging problems to overcome.

This is what Heraclitus meant:

“War is the father of All”

War as in challenging, difficult circusmtnaces.

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I do not understand what this means.

I thought the all seeing eye on the dollar bill was a reference to Consciousness, consciousness stuck in bodies in this realm.

The bodies are not omniscient, for their data access is localized. Omniscience is impossible because in order to have a true person experience you need local limits on data. If you have omniscience you cannot have a true person experience and thus are missing data on a true person experience.

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Totalitarianism, absolute order, is a Jew construct…Those that reject free-will, life itself, imply it, even if they cannot define not justify it.

This is why many moderns/post-moderns become anarchists….they are disillusioned by this totalitarianism, and yet most deny their own agency, unable to accept the implications.

Absolute order is what they desire to expand the reach of their word-based magic.

See them claim that philosophy is political?

Yes…these Jews know the extent of their word-manipulating powers. Walls of a polis.

Language can only effect what can be psychologically affected by symbols…. Within urban, manmade and maintained environments.

Feminine power: using words/symbols to exploit and manipualte those who do not understand what language is….and who listen but to not see.