Paradox of vu

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One of my favorite smilies> Can you sense why?

Do you see a distinction between “strong feelings” and emotions? What is the distinction to you? Is there a difference?

Indeed I do see a distinction – feelings are like senses but are synthesized internally of the mind.

Actually, I may just have been wrong in the way in which I worded that. “Strong feelings” are a part of “emotions” ~~ emotions are just categorized differently. For instance, love, hate, rage, joy, fear, relief, sorrow, et cetera.

when one feels one is correct and indeed they are correct and they can feel it but there is no emotion attached

Feeling are not necessarily based in truth or evidence. I suppose what you are saying though is that when one discovers that he/she was right, there can be detachment.

the extra feeling that comes with Déjà vu is not familiarity alone but a composite feeling and can have no emotion attached.

I do not know what “extra” feeling you’re speaking about here but wouldn’t you say that there has to be, by necessity, some kind of emotion or feelings attached ~~ to something which is usually rare and of a different kind?

From google search[define feeling]:

noun: feeling; plural noun: feelings

1. an emotional state or reaction.
"a feeling of joy"
synonyms:	love, care, affection, fondness, tenderness, warmth, warmness, emotion, sentiment; 

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passion, ardour, desire, lust, infatuation; adulation, adoration, reverence, devotion
“he was amazed at the strength of her feeling”

compassion, sympathy, empathy, fellow feeling, understanding, care, concern, solicitude, solicitousness, tender-heartedness, tenderness, love, brotherly love; pity, sorrow, commiseration, condolences
"Emma felt a rush of feeling for the poor child"

    the emotional side of someone's character; emotional responses or tendencies to respond.
    "I don't want to hurt her feelings"
    synonyms:	sensibilities, sensitivities, self-esteem, ego, pride; 

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    emotions, passions, sentiments
    "he hadn't meant to hurt her feelings"

    strong emotion.
    "‘God bless you!’ she said with feeling"

2. an idea or belief, especially a vague or irrational one.
"he had the feeling that he was being watched"
synonyms: suspicion, sneaking suspicion, notion, inkling, hunch, fancy, apprehension, presentiment, premonition, foreboding; idea, vague idea, impression; informal gut feeling, feeling in one's bones, funny feeling, sixth sense
"I had a feeling that I would win"

adjective

1. showing emotion or sensitivity.
   “she was a feeling child”
   synonyms: sensitive, warm, warm-hearted, tender, tender-hearted, caring, soft-hearted, sympathetic, compassionate, understanding, empathetic, responsive, receptive, intuitive, thoughtful; emotional, demonstrative, passionate, fiery; archaic sensible
   “he considers himself to be a feeling man”

I love words too. My “almost” favorite subject in school was English.

The second definition in particular is of interest here.

The second definition being the below:

2. an idea or belief, especially a vague or irrational one.

I may not be understanding what you’re saying here but a “feeling” itself is not an idea or a belief but may rise up because of an idea or belief.

What about when you are feeling the cool temperature of the water?

But that’s a physical feeling as opposed to an emotional one although they rise up from the same place…the brain.
As far as your example goes, at least for me, the answer to that one would depend on how hot or cold it is.

When we no longer use the conjugation we end up with the word feel. google search[define feel]: for an interesting result.

I don’t understand this. Will you please decode it for me. What does conjugating “to feel” have to do with it?
It’s probably just my brain at the moment.

I guess you could say anything is up for analyses.
Probably and isn’t that so cool:

Yes

I think that is very cool.

This is also one of those times when a strength can be a weakness and visa versa. I sometimes try to analyse things too much. I can be like a dog with a bone. lol
One needs to know when to let go of that bone.

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Arcturus Descending

I will answer you properly later but I just want to say how cheery your last message made me feel. Not that I was feeling down just that you provided me with a giggle or two.

Thank you so much.

=D>

[Arcturus_Descending]

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Arcturus Descending

I will answer you properly later but I just want to say how cheery your last message made me feel. Not that I was feeling down just that you provided me with a giggle or two.

Thank you so much.

=D>

…and THAT is what makes the world go round and round.

We’ll have to work on multiplying those giggles though.
Laughing is just as good for clearing the body/mind of toxins as is crying albeit you did say that you were not feeling down.

Mind you ~~ I am not trying to be forward here.

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@ Arcturus Descending - now back to that post.

@Arcturus Descending

One of my favorite smilies> Can you sense why?

MMM, I might have to think a little harder to get an answer to you. Is it that you want to split my brain in two maybe? Make me consider new things. Is it maybe that you want to cut my thread up? Lol - I have never been good at these games.

@Arcturus Descending

Actually, I may just have been wrong in the way in which I worded that. “Strong feelings” are a part of “emotions” ~~ emotions are just categorized differently. For instance, love, hate, rage, joy, fear, relief, sorrow, et cetera.

I see what you mean. Wikipedia has the following to say:

@Mood_(psychology)

In psychology, a mood is an emotional state. In contrast to emotions, feelings, or affects, moods are less specific, less intense and less likely to be triggered by a particular stimulus or event. Moods are typically described as having either a positive or negative valence. In other words, people usually speak of being in a good mood or a bad mood. More

I guess what I was saying is the other way around.

@Arcturus Descending

Feeling are not necessarily based in truth or evidence. I suppose what you are saying though is that when one discovers that he/she was right, there can be detachment.

The first sentence I agree with. In the second sentence - I agree - I have personally had that feeling of detachment.

@encode_decode

the extra feeling that comes with Déjà vu is not familiarity alone but a composite feeling and can have no emotion attached.

@Arcturus Descending

I do not know what “extra” feeling you’re speaking about here but wouldn’t you say that there has to be, by necessity, some kind of emotion or feelings attached ~~ to something which is usually rare and of a different kind?

Hence the paradox - familiarity is not Déjà vu - I also meant ‘no change in ones emotional state’ - The sense is like a super ‘familiarity’ - so the composite being ‘familiarity’ and ‘detachment from reality’. I hope that makes some sense.

@Arcturus Descending

I love words too. My “almost” favorite subject in school was English.

Srtangely eonugh - English was the subject that I did the least well in. Lol.

@Arcturus Descending

The second definition being the below:

2. an idea or belief, especially a vague or irrational one.

I may not be understanding what you’re saying here but a “feeling” itself is not an idea or a belief but may rise up because of an idea or belief.

Let me get back to you on that.

@encode_decode

What about when you are feeling the cool temperature of the water?

@Arcturus Descending

But that’s a physical feeling as opposed to an emotional one although they rise up from the same place…the brain.
As far as your example goes, at least for me, the answer to that one would depend on how hot or cold it is.

A good point regarding whether it is hot or cold.

@encode_decode

When we no longer use the conjugation we end up with the word feel. google search[define feel]: for an interesting result.

@Arcturus Descending

I don’t understand this. Will you please decode it for me. What does conjugating “to feel” have to do with it?
It’s probably just my brain at the moment.

You have a good sense of humour, re ‘decode’. I was merely referring to the slight differences between the words feel and feeling.

@Arcturus Descending

This is also one of those times when a strength can be a weakness and visa versa. I sometimes try to analyse things too much. I can be like a dog with a bone. lol
One needs to know when to let go of that bone.

I like the reference to: strength can be a weakness and visa versa. I think we all analyse things too much sometimes. I am yet to learn when to let go of that bone.

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One of my favorite smilies> Can you sense why?

MMM, I might have to think a little harder to get an answer to you. Is it that you want to split my brain in two maybe? Make me consider new things. Is it maybe that you want to cut my thread up? Lol - I have never been good at these games.

By MMM, did you mean HMM?

Hahaha ~ split your brain in two? Perish the thought. Now why would I want to do that? No.
You mean “derail” your thread? No.
Actually, the smilie is more of a mandate or a reminder to me.

AD: Actually, I may just have been wrong in the way in which I worded that. “Strong feelings” are a part of “emotions” ~~ emotions are just categorized differently. For instance, love, hate, rage, joy, fear, relief, sorrow, et cetera.

e_d: I see what you mean. Wikipedia has the following to say:

“Mood_(psychology)”]In psychology, a mood is an emotional state. In contrast to emotions, feelings, or affects, moods are less specific, less intense and less likely to be triggered by a particular stimulus or event. Moods are typically described as having either a positive or negative valence. In other words, people usually speak of being in a good mood or a bad mood. More

I also think that sometimes we aren’t able to figure out what brought us to particular mood. They are more subtle than particular emotions, I think.

Arcturus Descending
Feeling are not necessarily based in truth or evidence. I suppose what you are saying though is that when one discovers that he/she was right, there can be detachment.

The first sentence I agree with. In the second sentence - I agree - I have personally had that feeling of detachment.

As to MY last statement above, I’m not so sure now that i am even correct, in a sense that is. What I mean is that when one comes to discover that he/she is right, what need is there for detachment. Ego has been satisfied. If that even made sense to you.

Arcturus Descending
I do not know what “extra” feeling you’re speaking about here but wouldn’t you say that there has to be, by necessity, some kind of emotion or feelings attached ~~ to something which is usually rare and of a different kind?

Hence the paradox - familiarity is not Déjà vu

But how can there be deja vu without that sense of "familiarity ~~ which I mean by the below definition?
Are you saying that deja vu is devoid of a sense of familiarity?

fa·mil·iar·i·ty
fəˌmilyˈerədē/
noun
close acquaintance with or knowledge of something.
…
synonyms: acquaintance with, awareness of, experience with/of, insight into, knowledge of, understanding of, comprehension of, grasp of, skill in, proficiency in

• I also meant ‘no change in ones emotional state’ - The sense is like a super ‘familiarity’ - so the composite being ‘familiarity’ and ‘detachment from reality’. I hope that makes some sense.

No, it didn’t make sense to me but perhaps that’s just part of the workings of my brain. lol
Hmm, I guess the question would have to be asked: "Can the experience of deja vu be considered to be “a detachment from reality”?
Can reality be considered to be ONLY consciousness in the present moment. I don’t think I expressed that in a way that would give you clarity.
But wouldn’t there have to be a sense in one’s emotional state also? I mean deja vu is not a natural, customary-occurring experience.

Arcturus Descending
I love words too. My “almost” favorite subject in school was English.

Srtangely eonugh - English was the subject that I did the least well in. Lol.

Why would that be so strange? I’m just teasing you here but the question does have some validity, doesn’t it? hahaha

I may not be understanding what you’re saying here but a “feeling” itself is not an idea or a belief but may rise up because of an idea or belief.

Let me get back to you on that.

Well, I suppose maybe if we were to use the word “feeling” to express an intuition, which is kind of a “gut” feeling, we might say that a feeling is an idea. A scientist has an idea of something. Can that also be expressed as a “feeling”? I too might have to also get back to you on that one. I think that some words are closely related but not quite the same.

@encode_decode

What about when you are feeling the cool temperature of the water?

You have a good sense of humour, re ‘decode’. I was merely referring to the slight differences between the words feel and feeling.

Tell me again, if you will, why the username?

:lol:

That’s me in a nutshell.

Pride is the major blocker to knowledge.

I can certainly agree with this. If our hubris tells us that we have all the answers, or know the answer to this or that, then what need would there be to doubt and thereby seek to know what is “real”.

What is there to be achieved in saying “I do not believe… I know”…

Actually, one could say “not much” depending on what one is speaking about.
If we use that statement in regard to the god question, where do we go from there?
"Perhaps knowing something in this instance is simply a lazy response or a fearful one, keeping us hanging within that cocoon.

and what is it that you Know?

Only that which has already been proven by others. But then again, haven’t some things which have already been proven, been disproved at some future date.
But what I do emphatically know is that i know very little and what I intuit is even far less than that. That keeps us humble.

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@Arcturus Descending

By MMM, did you mean HMM?

Actually where I come from both can mean the same. Also MMM can be used to indicate interest and HMM can be used to indicate confusion. MMM is also used to say something is tasty. It all depends upon tone and body language/facial expression.

@Arcturus Descending

I also think that sometimes we aren’t able to figure out what brought us to particular mood. They are more subtle than particular emotions, I think.

You are quite correct; in another thread is discussed where mood is more an indicator of an overall emotional state, I think.

As in the following:

@James S Saint

A “mood” is merely a general bias of emotion, a tendency to favor certain kinds of emoting over others - emotional favoritism.

- - - Detachment - - -

@Arcturus Descending

I suppose what you are saying though is that when one discovers that he/she was right, there can be detachment.

@Arcturus Descending

As to MY last statement above, I’m not so sure now that i am even correct, in a sense that is. What I mean is that when one comes to discover that he/she is right, what need is there for detachment. Ego has been satisfied. If that even made sense to you.

It makes sense - interestingly enough I am currently working on something called Paradoxical Confinement whereby paradoxes become a natural part of the universe and our own reality, maybe you will understand more of what I am talking about when I create a thread about my Confinement Philosophy.

@Arcturus Descending

But how can there be deja vu without that sense of "familiarity ~~ which I mean by the below definition?
Are you saying that deja vu is devoid of a sense of familiarity?

Interesting. Déjà vu is indeed different to familiarity - I don’t remember saying that déjà vu happens without a sense of familiarity. Again my Confinement Philosophy might explain it better when I create a thread about it. For now lets just treat déjà vu as hyper-familiarity: familiarity with an extra dimension.

@Arcturus Descending

No, it didn’t make sense to me but perhaps that’s just part of the workings of my brain. lol
Hmm, I guess the question would have to be asked: "Can the experience of deja vu be considered to be “a detachment from reality”?
Can reality be considered to be ONLY consciousness in the present moment. I don’t think I expressed that in a way that would give you clarity.
But wouldn’t there have to be a sense in one’s emotional state also? I mean deja vu is not a natural, customary-occurring experience.

I see no problem with how your brain is working - what I see is curiosity at work - I see we may have some sort of semantic paradox taking place. Yes déjà vu can be considered “a detachment from reality” as in two different reality dimensions connecting. Yes reality can be considered to be only consciousness in the present moment - there is also a pretty major problem with time - déjà vu then would be part of a hyper-reality or sub-reality. If I read what you are saying correctly then you have expressed yourself very clearly.

I do not think we can prove that déjà vu is unnatural.

@Arcturus Descending

Why would that be so strange? I’m just teasing you here but the question does have some validity, doesn’t it? hahaha

I would say it is rather strange given that now I often work in Natural Language Processing(NLP) - using linguistics, philosophy, mathematics and other tools to help me perform my tasks at hand. So your question becomes quite valid given that “Srtangely eonugh - English was the subject that I did the least well in. Lol.”

@Arcturus Descending

Well, I suppose maybe if we were to use the word “feeling” to express an intuition, which is kind of a “gut” feeling, we might say that a feeling is an idea. A scientist has an idea of something. Can that also be expressed as a “feeling”? I too might have to also get back to you on that one. I think that some words are closely related but not quite the same.

Yes to intuit, a premonition, sense among other things and these are each synonymous with feeling. Yes an idea can indeed be expressed as a feeling and not only are some words closely related but “same” most often becomes relative.

@Arcturus Descending

Tell me again, if you will, why the username?

encode_decode simply means yin yang - the underscore is a blank or a hidden layer - the hidden layer is the language of the neural patterns - you take in information from your senses which is then encoded into the language that your neurons speak - that language is processed by your neurons and the resulting thought is that of decoding back to a natural language which in our case is English.
Regarding: Pride is the major blocker to knowledge. I should have said it is but one blocker - there also exists other psychological blockers as well as chemical and electrical blockers - there are other blockers too as discussed in Confinement Philosophy - there are many blockers too numerous to mention.

Re-Regarding: Pride is the major blocker to knowledge.

@Arcturus Descending

I can certainly agree with this. If our hubris tells us that we have all the answers, or know the answer to this or that, then what need would there be to doubt and thereby seek to know what is “real”.

Indeed. I do however believe in a healthy amount of self-confidence.

Regarding: What is there to be achieved in saying “I do not believe… I know”…

@Arcturus Descending

Actually, one could say “not much” depending on what one is speaking about.
If we use that statement in regard to the god question, where do we go from there?
"Perhaps knowing something in this instance is simply a lazy response or a fearful one, keeping us hanging within that cocoon.

Deep stuff . . . “Actually, one could say “not much” depending on what one is speaking about.”; I could not have put that better myself. I decided a long time ago not to dismiss the GOD question - who/what/where is GOD is something I can not prove to be true/false and there may be some things we are not meant to answer or have an answer too - it could be the death of us - I see many hints of a higher power - I keep exploring the hints - that is where I go from there. Well the cocoon is something we have to put up with because we can not leave existence while we are here and I am not sure death takes you there - I guess we may have to wait and see.

Regarding: and what is it that you Know?

@Arcturus Descending

Only that which has already been proven by others. But then again, haven’t some things which have already been proven, been disproved at some future date.
But what I do emphatically know is that i know very little and what I intuit is even far less than that. That keeps us humble.

Can we really say anyone has proven anything with out a reasonable doubt - I have my doubts about nearly everything - I have an idea that all we have done is stumble upon information systems that kind of work for us - to what we perceive as fairly accurate - but you can only have faith that an electron microscope is telling the truth despite its usefulness to name but one example. Knowing that our perceptions live in and on past information keeps me humble. Knowing that free will and destiny live side by side gives me an idea that reality is all about paradoxes. Modesty is the easiest of things to find if one cares to admit it.

Don’t be too sure that what you intuit is less than what you know.

A taste of my philosophy:

Clearly we are in a state of confinement whether it be for better or for worse. We exist in the captivity of our own mind limited by space, scope and time.