Actually, if you study the facts …
Mohammed married women to get them out of slavery in his culture. He had over 600 wives.
I’m not a Muslim. But I do understand basic things about history.
Mohammad also married a 6 year old girl when he was 53. Raped her when she was 9.
Yikes.
Pascal wins, every time… like the roulette-table at the dodgy casino run by the mob… clever guy. 
I don’t believe in saints.
I’m just passing through. Mohammed will see hell.
So will Jesus.
We never die.
We’re in a Nintendo game without a programmer. Jesus didn’t even know what a Nintendo game was, yet you worship him.
I really don’t care if you worship Jesus. I have no interest in converting anyone. I’m just trying to get away from all of you.
This is the reason the gnostic argument at the very least tries to mitigate between the agnostic and Theist argument
Meno.
Everyone will be in my shoes in their own way someday.
They’ll realize realities with more than one actual person don’t work,
In this species, people feel proud of themselves to have a friend that someone else doesn’t have.
They should be ashamed of it.
Just out of sheer curiosity, everyone eventually diverges. This can cause massive heartache for the person diverged from if they’re not ready to lose that person.
This will eternally cause suffering for all beings.
Can you detail it please?
Sure. I’m not only a conjured being, I’m a resurrected being.
Nobody stays with everyone forever.
Life is kind of like cable television. All the channels exist at the same time but you’re only watching one. And then you switch the channel to another channel. That can hurt a persons feelings.
Nobody rules everything. That should comfort and not disturb you.
Agreed, but some people are inseparable, they can’t ever leave or die for that matter, but then they can’t leave, because in order to live eternally one can never leave with or without bound to another living
Life does not work that way, the will to live encompasses more than live to gain more power
The power to live is stronger and more binding than the need to control even one’s self, that calls for a higher power yet imagianable.
One can not even imagine what that highest power could represent down the line,
Another way to look at the wager is that atheism is a wager, too.
Pascal’s Wager has the opposite effect for me - the more applicable the wager is to a religion, the more sure I am that that religion was created by men and not God.
You see, the most serious consequence of Pascal’s Wager is that you should choose the religion which is the most cruel, the religion which has the most cruel punishment for non believers, the most painful, unbearable eternal punishment.
And meanwhile, of course, these religions with these incredibly cruel gods are simultaneously preaching that their gods are the most kind and mercifull, the most moral being in existence. This most merciful being is going to torment you for eternity, for what? For being incorrect about something? Damn, that’s just infinitely cruel, and entirely arbitrary to boot.
So, let’s say we get this far, we’ve found the most cruel god to believe in so as to maximize our wager – invariably, we will discover that this religion we’ve chosen is championed by a profitable organization.
We have a profitable organization now, distributing reading material that tells us “if you disagree with the message of this organization, the most merciful god will provide you with the most cruel eternity”, and we feel compelled now - by fear - to believe these people. And we find that some large fraction of the other followers of this cruel god are also giving this organization money - sometimes 10% of their income, or more.
Which means that, if this religion WAS created by men, clearly they have some very good motivations for creating a god so cruel, creating a god that would make people fear beleiving otherwise. These organizations profit a lot from this fear.
And that’s where I deboard that train. I’m not going to be spiritually coerced by a profitable organization to believe what they’re trying to scare me into believing. Pascal’s Wager is a perverse sign of the cruelty of men. Any religion to which Pascal’s Wager applies, that wager is a big red flag saying “this religion was designed to manipulate you”.
I reject the spiritual coercion of men. I reject Pascal’s Wager. I won’t be blackmailed into belief. I feel sad for those people who are persuaded by Pascal’s Wager, that fear might influence their beliefs and what thoughts they allow themselves to have. I’m very sad for those people.
It’s probably better to not bet then, if you want to remain undecided or uncommitted, in any case.
But then, you’d have to hope for a miracle to avoid waiting until the last minute, for by that time all cards will be on the table
Pascal says we must wager since we’re going to be dead forever.
Eternal death is my true family.
Jesus scares us by saying blasphemers will have their souls destroyed in hell.
I’ve been to hell. I know what it’s like. It actually exists.
I always tell people that hell is pure imagination, but it requires more imagination to build heaven
Cultural background is priced in. That’s why it’s a smart wager.
How about the little children us and them how can we allow ourselves to wager on such unfair advantage we think we have over them, can we begin to know what was in their head in the beginning of their journey? Can we at least begin the begin to give them a chance, or become domesticated in a better place, even a better hell superior to this one as a gesture of moving upward in this pater noster elevator?
About cultural and social differences that fear of falling is far greater then the two bound in one, for separation consumes vastly more energy to allay that fear then the union, weather the union separates it’s self or separation from another. As ascending de/differentiates one from the other, the union of one becomes no different than the union with the other one. They both ascend to the top at the same time, a reverse Newton bet.
This video just popped up.
The darkest place with no redemption where all hope is gone is an eternity of not oblivion, but of gnashing teeth and an eternal place of being consumed by animals, but no it does not rest there, for sparks fall by in between eternally lasting chasms of hope, and once there is some measure of prayer for delivery , not you or you but some innoscence managed to spill out, to manage to recollect enough karmic power to capture that spark, the the upward struggle resumes, Sisyphus can’t eternally fall without a configured collected weight of dropped stones that may tip the scale to renew the effort, intensely marking signs, such as those that miracles are made of, and finally reach a point where those begotten stones will rub against one another, not in orgiastic wait for some pleasant outcome, but with an earnest hold , neck upon neck, to hope the children and their children arrive at the top, sparking white , anxiously waiting when it is their turn to go below again lest , drawn to another as such as he once waited .
But only if you are unafraid to be unrecognizable to each other, on the way up, as in trillions of reincarnations all of you will become each and every one through infinities in the the wink of the eye it takes to calculate the odds.
The light on the top every reincarnated self will pass through a self recognition the infinite cosmic mirror,
Is this calculable abstraction in contradiction with the ration of probability that there is such light at top? I would place my bet on it .