Peace & relativistic liberation from samsara

Here’s a quote from one of my replies at another forum.
It’s very simply about how to get closer to inner-calm, whilst loosening addictions, habits, attachments, etc.

Well, here’s my two-cents:

Imposing non-reality upon reality, or wishing to hide the non-reality from reality, is basically illusion & escapism. In many ways these things are the aversions and the un-necessary cravings.

There’s also a difference between being mentally and physically free from samsara.

There’s a difference between being mentally inside of or outside of a karmic current. Desires and aversions usually exist when the inner-self is actively moving. But when the inner-self calms down, slows, and attains either stillness or peace, cravings and aversions reduce. In this state, life becomes more of an art-of-observation, and not so much a mandatory-chain-of-reactions.

What to do?

Get bored. Stay there. Stay bored for as long as you can. And then, stay bored even-longer. Sit still and look at an object. Just look at that one object, and try not to let your eyes blur or wander or close, etc.

After this, if you’ve stayed still, mentally, for a long time, and just can’t take it anymore, you may have an outburst of restlessness and mental-karma. At this time you will probably start to want to “do things” again. Try to spend this time in actuations of release. Exercise, either run or lift-weights or walk. Maybe make some paintings or drawings. Laugh. Cook some food, and then eat it. Or maybe you may want to sleep. Either way, there is an after-flux and release of karma if mental stillness is experienced for an enduring time. But, during the after-flux and release, if you express yourself through physical motion, self-expression and art, instead of taking in more media & tasks, the amount of karma you clear from out of yourself will be more than doubled. In this case, both the stillness and the self-actuation cleans thyself. Remember, most of the entertainment today is a synthesis, a fantasy and a non-reality. Most conflicts are also synthetically created for no deeper reason. But, some forms of self-actuation only release karma, these expressions-of-self do not create more karmic burdon or attachment.

:scratchchin: @ ex-christians: - you know, I think the sabath-day [once every seven days] was also an example of non-work, which helped people reattain degrees of inner-stillness. Doing nothing for an entire day, once a week atleast. I think that was one of the better spiritual ideas during the times of ancient-isreal. Most christians never do this in the modern-age, but it’s a good idea, none-the-less. :scratchchin:

Edit:
I would also like to add, that there is no absolute failure or victory within the continueum of eternal, non-absolute reality.

If you pour a bit out of your bucket, and empty your bucket slightly [not absolutely], you nave not had absolute victory, but you’ve still cleared yourself somewhat. If you get more of what you do not need, dumpted into your bucket, you have not absolutely failed. Instead, you’ve simply gained a few more burdons, from now up antil the eventual liberation.

Your interp seems incredibly Jainist.

If you think meditation is boring, you are doing it wrong.

“Occupy until I return.” - JC

How’s that, Dan?

The freedom from samsara (or suffering) isn’t distinguished in that way. If you ‘perceive’ that you’re “mentally free,” that’s still illusory. The idea of self is a trickster, IMO. Always seeking to convince us that we’ve escaped something. But it’s not about escaping. It’s about the falling away, right here, right now, of illusion. Including the illusion of self.

If you’re feeling boredom, that’s a signal of attachment to ego, a continued state of delusion. You don’t want to "stay bored’. You simply let thoughts, emotions, whatever, arise and pass away as they will. That’s how to learn the true nature of the mind. (And I’m not specifying the intellect here when I use “learn.”) The key is to watch, without trying to analyze or control, whatever arises, including feelings such as boredom. Then to go deeper, learn more about what it is that’s bored.

Am I?

Lucidity and soberity come from a strong sense of awareness, which has gotten beyond its addictions, capable of facing its own boredom which is its own self-existent state without destraction.

JC was only a man.

I did not promote a robotic analysis.

“Go deeper, learn more about what it is that’s bored.”
^That’s analytical. That’s a form of self-study.

As usual, the esoteric Buddhist-like concepts are subject to bad-English. Very bad English, and a different kind of culture. Very very bad English. Such terrible terrible English. Constantly with its Englishness, Englishifying the un-tasted, un-experienced ancient culture, miles away.

Terrible English. Just look at all my English.

Oh now, I’ve heard that the Indians said the same thing about the Chinese when Buddhism migrated over there. Buddhism will withstand its westernization. Anyway, all things change, nothing is permanent, my friend. Not even ‘you’ and ‘I’.

You appear to have misunderstood the word “learn”. It’s not always done at the level of intellect. It also seems you’ve interpreted my explanation of a standard meditative technique to be ‘robotic analysis’. But what the heck…at least your misunderstanding provided you with the opportunity to practice the English language. Since you’re not in agreement on the Buddhist stuff, then I can help with that instead.

I did and it’s not bad. Certainly better than either my Sanskrit or Pali, lol. You do need to use commas between ‘very, very’ and ‘terrible, terrible’, though, and I’d caution you against using repetitive modifiers too often; that sort of hyperbolic technique should be used sparingly to have optimal impact. As well, there’s no reason to hyphenate ‘unexperienced’. Finally, in reference to the term “bad-English” (and this is a stylistic comment, not a grammatical one), the better adjective to use is ‘poor’ English. If you wanted to appear more casual (it is the Net, after all), you could use ‘lousy’ instead. However, you don’t hypenate the adjective and the noun it modifies. That turns the whole phrase into an adjective, which doesn’t appear to be your intention.

Nah, don’t mention it. :wink:

Boredom is attachment.

And you didn’t address the Jainist claim. Do you have Jainist sympathies?