If a God was to be perfect would it not seek to to eliminate itself? The only true perfection is no thing, No matter, no antimatter, no being. As long as there is existence there can be no perfection. So would not Gods reputed to be perfect actually be seeking an end to existence?
If that would be true then their nemisis would seek the opposite? To keep existence.
As a parent your little toddlers think you have no limits, but you do. Limits are part of the make up of everything. Gods have to have limits. If not then they cannot be. They cannot exist. Only non existence has no limits, no boundries within the known universe and most likely any unknown universe or plane of existance. To exist a thing automatically has set limits.
This earth and the universe is our classroom. It has everything we need to educate ourselves to reality and beyond. We know through experience flawed things do not work like they could if they were perfect. A flawed diamond can only have a couple of tiny flaws to be laser quality. Any more than a couple of tiny flaws and you could not have a laser. An engine block with tiny fractures within the block passes ratings even though they know it will eventually crack. All engine blocks have flaws, they crack eventually. All things that we know have flaws right down to the tiniest particle of matter.
Perfection is impossible for anything that exists. If a thing were perfect it could not be damaged ,destroyed or changed, it would not be dependent upon anything, it would have no limits.
I use the word perfect because it is the closest word to fit the concept.
Not even a god could be perfect for it exists. Existence has limitations.
A god could, if it truly had awesome powers, create perfection. To create perfection it would have to eliminate all existance right down to the tiniest particle of matter and anti matter. Taking all and creating a universe filled with flaws of differing proportions could in fact cause all to cease eventually. A ticking time bomb. So perfection is finally created. The god/s acheive true perfection at the expense of existence.
So there you have your answer Jtt, We know that anything that has flaws will eventually change mutate break, fall,apart, etc. If we apply this on an unprecedented scale we sit with in a bomb that was possibly devised by a bored immortal powerful being that wishes to be perfect. The only perfection is non existence of anything. The perfect universe is the one with no matter, no antimatter, no tiny particles to flaw it. The perfect God is the one that created such.
My idea is: God/s that set out to acheive perfection has those that are against it. These other beings are set against perfection in order to exist. The Being that wants to achieve perfection is not good nor evil. The beings that wish to stop the perfection would not be good or evil. That is if these beings all truly exist and are not figments of human hope or despair.
So if we follow a God that has claims to perfection then we follow a god that wishes our existence to end.
Sensing is all i am saying. We can answer by sensing the pieces of the puzzle.
- There is nothing in existence that is perfect. Everything is flawed.
- Nothin absolute zero matter and anti matter has no flaws, it is dependent upon no thing. it cannot be changed or harmed because nothing would exist to change it. So absolute non existence is perfection.
These two are simple observable facts. They are a truth.
Now if a superior being desired perfection it would know these two simple facts. Unless it is dumber then a politician or priest.
So if a superior being wants perfection then it is safe to figure out that it wants an end to all existence to achieve perfection. If said being is close to immortal or immortal then it would make sense that it would eventually desire non existence as a release or change. Or it really is not sentient, it probably would be a priest or politician.
Its a simple case of deduction , not really assumption.
- If you were to desire perfection you would destroy existence of all things. Flawed things cease to exist eventually. So you just set it up that the smallest particles have flaws. and so must cease enventually. If you want help you enlist idiots that trust you. And then you enlist other idiots and other idiots that trust you and you give them all idiotic things to do in order to cause destruction of existence. Seems logical to me.
What assumption? We are observing this action everyday.
The real interesting question is what about the others that disagree with the supposed superior being.
If thing breaks down , ceases, changes, it has flaws. a perfect thing has reached perfection and cannot change nor be destroyed.
I say this because it is observable facts. There are no emotions or desires or beliefs tied to it. I have read alot observed alot and thought alot over 40 yrs. From observation and of the world and what other people have tested and studied of this world and the universe, it is possible to conclude perfection as I describe cannot exist. Each and everything that exists is flawed.
You pose an interesting idea, and no it is not offensive. At least not in this forum. We are about being free to say what is within, as long as it is done in a polite manner and you are very polite.
Have you ever thought we may grasp more then we care to admit? Denial and fear are a very good survival instinct for a creature encased in a body. We must keep this body alive and we must keep the mind intact the way we were taught. Our education in this world involves a lot of blanket ideas in order to protect us from ourselves.
Change is dangerous to the physical. What you state is pretty much what I have been saying just from a slightly different perspective. If we tie it in to superior beings then what might our unknown objective be? There is a school of thought that we will eventually learn we do not need these bodies. One I firmly believe in thanks to a simple physics theory. Energy does not cease, it changes. right now as you say we are tied to these bodies.
Perhaps our cumulative energies are being built up for a reason. Once we achieve full potential it will be released. I am not sure about reincarnation but it does seem plausable that all creature and plant energies shift and move in this limited planet. Much like a boiler for a steam engine. we cannot know when the cumulative energies will be relaesed in order to fulfill something beyond our present knowledge. at least on a whole.
Individuals can possibly grasp. Perhaps we should not, but if the drive is there can we resist? what if a being is using this planet’s potential to create perfection? And another being wishes to stop it. I kind of want to lean towards stopping perfection. I see and feel that perfection is an end. I rather like being imperfect. There are options to the realse of cumulative energies it does not have to be directed as fortold in the main religions. Good vs. evil. What if evil is just wanting to remain imperfect?
Since the Chakras line up with our body’s Glands, I am not sure how they could work. Thought that was kind of interesting though.
I don’t see ourself tied to our body except as akin to a driver of a car.
We could use the chemicals as a gestalt. That would be a logical use for the glands as the chakras. The chemicals could enhance energies somehow. I do recall that a study was done about the moment of death. People hooked up to machines EEg or is EKG? The machine that measures brain patterns? whichever it was the machine monitored at the moment of death a burst of energy. Body chemicals from the glands could give a gestalt to the energy and release it from the body. Its possible. Darn near sounds logical too. The ancients were more intune with their bodies and souls then we are thanks to our dependency on science and tech.
It is true that our physical body can affect what happens to our self but, clean the physical up and we are fine. A car that is in disrepair impedes the driver’s abilities too. An intersting question is why are we put in these bodies and have sentience? If a monkey brain were transfered to a human body would that give the monkey sentience? Cool experiment but one that is not likely to be publicised if it is ever done. What gives us sentience? Diet? yea that helps alot but ,only to create a more complex brain matter. Would a monkey brain become sentient if put on the same diet as human? Would the brain develop? I digress I know, Sorry.
Either way our energies and those of ourlarge brethren mammals in the waters are dominant in this world. Is there any doubt that dolphins and Orcas are sentient? Not much anymore.
Dominant energies can do what? Absorb and focus all the lesser energies?
Combine the immediate release of the oceanic energies with the land energies. It would be something quite powerful. Combine that with all the planet’s energies. Why make something that is a potential really really bad bomb? Then what about other worlds? One single thing could remove all matter. A switch. An all pwerful knowing God like being that could create a unverse could uncreate it too, to achieve perfection for itself.
I figure if the mountain won’t come to me I would go to the mountain, so to speak.