Philosophy and Personal exertions

There are many reasons which had made it impossible for me to visit ILP as often as I like. One of the reasons is that I am working, not like some people who’s on social security all day so they instead of getting a proper job, just sit idle all day and chat, not philosophise. another reason, a more important reason being that, some old guards may remember that I had a thread titled ‘why, why not’ which formed the crux of my understanding of philosophy. though later on, I realised that Nietzsche had a similar concept in Beyond Good and Evil in which he talked about the prejudice of philosophers. In ‘why, why not’ I say all things are personal exertions, like prejudice. In that, whatever I say is coming from me, whatever you say is coming from you. In that regards, what we say is dependent on us. without us, nothing can be said.

This puts humans at the center of all understanding, I do not regard this as arrogance, but as the ultimate truth philosophers have been searching for. From our mouth, comes our view of things, this regard is inclusive of all things, including sensations, morality, ethics. I am, just as you are, the center of the world.

To give examples, if you are blind, then the sensations of computer, of trees, of apples does not appear to you visually. I am not blind, so I see a different view of the world. You may think killing is wrong while I think it is right. All arguments, indeed all philosophical arguments are personal. this is especially true in relation to ethics. where the whole argument is an attempt at finding, though absurdly a rational ground for what is irrational. Nietzsche call this attempt the prejudice of philosophers. This is true for all people. We are all speaking what is essentially irrational. so it is one irrationality against the other. the metaphor I invented is ‘one rock hitting the other, but out of anger’ - The original madness, pg 5/202

I have ceased, virtually to post in psychology, religion, philosophy, social science forums because I realise, of all things said, we are all ranters. The rants whom write in a philosophy style gets put into philosophy, religious style goes to religious forum and general rant goes to rant house.

Since there is nothing you say that is valuable to me, and nothing I say can be of value to you since we are all ranting. There is no point for me posting here, so I stopped posting for a period of time. Then when I come back, I see again, posts on ‘meaning of life’, ‘freewill’, and all that nonsense, I felt my mission to convert the ignorant had to start again.

I do not exist, but as words in cyberspace, and that is the extent of my existence. the same goes for everyone. The objective truth that has eluded mankind does not exist, it is a conceptual absurdity that’s the result of a language game. My essential understanding is, nothing is independent of you. We are only interacting with one another. I am mad, so are you, so is everyone. the only difference being that I realise I am mad.

I see sensations and I have feelings, the two are undeniable. The rest, meaning human interactions are all pointless because we are all just ranting but with different style. We are of different psychological make up so we produce different rants, there is as much reason to believe in one rant as of the next, namely none.

All things are prejudicial, I do whatever I want. No one can influnce me any more because I have become mad! I can do whatever I want, now I lack only the power to unleash my madness.

This is very true to an extent. I have always thought, physical existence, particularly humans for that matter, give meaning to what would otherwise be meaningless.

However, what has always struck me as the most profound, is the meaning of giving meaning to meaninglessness. This may seem completely backwards to some people, but I think it is because life operates in the form of paradox. And I think everything can be relayed back to paradox or the coincidence of opposites.

I have the same understanding as you I think, but I also understand that perhaps to give meaning to the meaningless is the only real meaning of anything. Yes you are mad, but you are sane in your madness. So paradoxical, isn’t it? But it’s the only way the world operates.

PoR;

I agree with your viewpoint on what is basically… the arbitrary-ness of human conceptions of reality. The arbitraryness of even my own viewpoint, conceptions, and even personality which has arisen out of a complex interaction of genetic and social conditions. I am what has formed me and the force of habits and learned behaviors keep me grounded upon this trajectory.

But there is something more - you state that there is nothing of value I can say to you and nothing of value you can say to me. I am not sure of the use of the word value here, since certainly EVERYTHING you say is of some value to me if I experience it. Your post has been imprinted upon me and has changed me just through the simple fact that I gave it attention and read it. You have changed me, and if you read this post I would have changed you.

I can begin to read books on cooking, take a job as a cook, immerse myself in the art of cooking, and transform myself. I will think in terms of food, I will have a greater appreciation for my sense of taste, I will have become someone different from who I am and its totally within my power.
Less dramatically and in smaller scope, this is the effect of your post on me. Adding to torrentfield’s paradox thoughts… it seems to me that we are both islands unto ourselves and yet inextricably a part of everything else.

Sometimes slowly and gradually, sometimes quickly and dramatically - even reading ILP can change the trajectory of you. Even when the hardest rocks hit eachother, they are smoothed, chipped, or broken even if there is no objective measure by which to judge the rightness of either rock.

I don’t know if I can understand threads like this, they seem to me to be overly imaginative, overly complex, and like the thread is speaking for everyone.

Knowing is important.

A cat looks at a fan, and sees a bush.
A baby looks at a fan, and sees a shape.
A child looks at a fan, and asks “What’s that mommy?”
A teen looks at a fan, and turns it on, it’s a hot day!

Learning, benefits the teen. Learning benefits everyone. Philosophy is about learning.

If your book ever hits the shelves at Barnes & Noble’s I’m certainly gonna buy a copy. When/if it happens, you’ll have to reveal your real name so we can find the book, though. I figure it’ll be some crazy shit, but it won’t be boring. :slight_smile:

Have you thought of joining pnac? You and them seem to be of one mind.

newamericancentury.org/

… seriously though. I think you’ll find that in order to ‘unleash your madness’, you’re going to have to work with other people in this world and acknowledge various realities. So you’re in a catch 22. If you push the madness angle, you’ll be expressing power in ways that undermine themselves. If you allow your will to power to find its true expression in this world, aka Nietzsche’s sense of Noble, you’ll find yourself working with those around you, which makes you not mad.

Life is tragic.

Dave

torrentfields

exactly, humans give meaning to what is essentially meaningless. find beauty in things, while another rock would never find another rock beautiful. humans give meaning, and meaning applies to humans.

anvildoc

right on!

but so what if you changed me, so what if you are better or worse than me, so what? the meaning resides in you! so what if the sun clashes with the moons, so what if a supernova comes into contact with me, so what if I am the most intelligent being that has ever lived in the universe? so what? the meaning is completely arbitrary, imagine the ludicrous situation of one rock thinking another rock is beautiful, or a table falling in love with a chair, and you’ll see the absurdity of the human existence.

Pincho Paxton

maybe you are not used to my style.

if you are referring to philosophy. let me let you know that it is nothing more than an exercise in self-indulgence. Kant, Hume, said nothing if you look at it in the whole scheme of things. all things are psychological! this is a very important point. all things are psychological. so Kant is meaningless to a monkey. Kant only has meaning to us. without us, it has no meaning. but who are we, but atoms? thus absurdity? if I am not clear, let me know.

Phaedrus

thanks for your interest! I’ll send you a word version when I finish it. nearly finished. hopefully by christmas.

avatarOfDave

I am different to everyone because I am very generous and very intelligent. I find most people, are either stupid or stingy or a combination of both. I am unique for I am mad and in madness I have understanding. I some times feel superhuman.

Isn’t it more difficult to work with people you find stupid or stingy?

Oh wait… it’s arbitrary, right?

pxc

what is arbitrary is people’s opinions. if someone thinks you are this or that, that does not mean you are this or that. so if Kant thinks Hume thinks Nietzsche thinks does not mean you are to think their way. Thinking is purely arbitrary.

It is more difficult to work with people who are stupid. I don’t mind helping people, but I can’t stand the arrogant, rude AND stupid.

Without the arrogant stupid we’d have very few sports stars…