Philosophy As A College Major???????

Perhaps you would enjoy the porn industry?

I wouldn’t mind going to work everyday in the porn industry.

I can just see myself now coming home from work to my wife. “How did work go today honey?”

“Aww it was horrible, I had to work with this hot 18 year old co-ed. I had to stick my dick in her mouth. Absolutely awful.”

lol, man that’s the kinda job I want!! :wink:

Seriously though, Philosophy is just one of those transferable degrees than get you into virtuallly any field as long as you get a half decent mark in it. Then again I’m talking from the UK job market perspective.

the perfect solution to satisfy A-L-L you like and need seems to be, marrying a girl who earns enough money and giving her the best and very personal philosophy advice and view by observing her everyday life. in those popular tvseries like sex and the city, alley XXX (don’t know the exact name) etc they GIVE philosophy advice and views to audience and these philosophy of life let their writers earn a lot of money because in real life these business people are busy and don’t have time or ability to think about these. i think these succesful people desire philosophy views and advice. to become a succesful writer maybe not very easy but to offer some practical philosophy advice to someone you love should not be very difficult. so you may can consider to choose a lawyer, a newspaper column writer, a gallery maneger or a self-employee to be your future wife and establish a happy family together. good luck!

Although philosophy does’nt prepare you for today’s specialized Job market (and yes, about 55% of Philosophy majors go into law). It provides a thorough generalized basis for any job you might want to do, after all, the ability to effectively communicate your ideas and think logically will help you in any career.

I plan to major in Philosophy. :sunglasses:

For those who have majored in philosophy, what kind of job are you doing now?

I wouldn’t major in philosophy unless I wanted to become a Phd in philosophy.

— Let’s face it. The world is far more specialized now, and philosophy is very good at spinning it’s findings off to other sciences…

— Philosophy should never be for the faint of heart, or for those who want to make money.

I’m an English and philosophy major at the University of Georgia. As you can probably tell, making the big bucks is not exactly my greatest concern (although that’s not to disparage anyone who is money-driven!).

The thing is, I don’t think I could major in anything but these two subjects. It’s like the advice Rilke gave to the young poet: the true test of a writer is if they believe they MUST write, or die. I’m not saying I’d die if I couldn’t major in these two subjects, but I definitely know I would regret it forever. Just do what your heart tells you–the rest will work itself out.

—Precisely! Do what you love, the money will follow.

I kind of majored in Philosophy (ended up with Honours in it but only spent 18 months out of 36 studying it :blush: ) and did so purely because it was something I was interested in. I began university pursuing American Studies and Politics: I was interested in AS and also felt drawn to foreign policy / international development. And then just hated the course. Something was terribly wrong with my interactions with the material and I just couldn’t get excited by any of it, so switched, knowing that Philosophy wouldn’t offer me much in the way of career, but knowing that I wouldn’t have wasted 3 years of my life doing something that probably wouldn’t have that much effect anyway.

I now work at university doing web/database stuff plus a bit of admin, in our office for disabled students. Time will tell what ‘proper’ job I move onto in a couple of years time, but it might well move back into the international development field: quite simply, I am now more interested in international politics than I am in philosophy. If I was to be offered the choice again now, I would’ve chosen a better university to begin with. :laughing: But it doesn’t really matter. I’m 23 and can afford to go to university again if need be, for a diploma or a Master or another BA. Whatever. What you study at university can be a life-changing thing, but it doesn’t have to be. Just being at university usually is a life-changing thing, and should be. I guess that’s what I took away with me. (as well as my wife!)

— So in a sense, Kajun, you started in Domestic relations and International relations at about the same time. I can’t wait to get into a University environment.

I can wait, I want to make money, school just uses you for the most part and makes money off of you and keeps you broke and breaks your back before they give you some crapping certificate. I am trying to use my brain to make real dollars, not chump money. I really rather chat here with you gentlemen and trade ideas. Actually, I am not that money hungry but I went to grad school and I left because nobody talks about real things. Its all about “hot air” concepts, measuring, weighing, taking statistics. I rather just write down the ideas that are in my heart and mind and that are important to me. I can’t and will never fit in with intellectual fakes and phoneys.

Oh and one more thing:
“Convictions are the most dangerous enemies of lies.” --theoryofexist

— I am going to school to learn. It is amazing how many people talk about things (in school and elsewhere) that don’t really matter, like Aquinas, “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin”. I guess some classes have to be “hot air” in order to appeal to a more general audience, but in school as elsewhere there is always room to follow one’s heart.

Marshall McDaniel,
I just wanted to take the opportunity to commend you on such a beautiful verse…

I believe your above quote to be true. Unfortunately, there are many forces which are very effective at hindering us from following our hearts. We give in to these forces, generally speaking, right from childhood. Due to the upbringing we are given via the system and the system infected parents. Too often our hearts warn us, compel us, make us strive towards something that just isn’t considered the societal norm - people are so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it…wait…that’s from Matrix, but I hope you get the idea. So those few who do try to break out of the hallucination are usually pushed back in.

I too am guilty of this, but I try hard to follow my heart as often as possible and I intentionally look for moments and situations where my hearts light may seep through to the world. I also try to stay away from situations which I feel or know to hinder acts of following ones heart.

By these forces I do not mean that there are situations where our hearts CAN’T shine through, since I agreed with you that there is always an opportunity for us to follow our hearts, it’s just that most people don’t believe their hearts are strong enough to. I try each day to put myself into a situation I am uncomfortable in so that I may learn, challenge myself, and not grow weary. This helps me to see the opportunities to break out of heart concealing situations. I have succeeded on many fronts, but much more awaits.

What’s your take?

magius,

can you give an example of putting yourself in a situation where you feel uncomfortable?

Bill, I hope you don’t mind me calling you Bill from now on, seeing how your nick is quite long.

Bill asked:

Anything that makes you uncomfortable. For instance, you may be sick and tired of people who always drive in the right lane, when there is a middle and left lane for those going straight, when they don’t have to turn right - by which means they prevent those who wish to use the right lane for turning purpose only. There are two distinct things going on, in my opinion, at the time that you are experiencing this, and lets suppose, you do nothing. The first is that you are upset about the circumstance of having to wait when you may be in a rush while not caring anything about the person blocking you. The other is a disdain or irritation with the person themselves which usually leads to a prejudice or a generalization. We become convinced that the person in front is the type of person to commit this road indiscretion, or we may automatically conclude that this person does this indiscretion all the time. What I would do, if I had chosen to do something about it at all, is I would try to communicate (in an assertive but not rude way) that they are in the right lane, while not turning, with no car(s) in the middle or left lane which are there for those who wish to go straight leaving the turning lanes empty for use by those wishing to turn. Ofcourse, this is the UNCOMFORTABLE situation of which I speak and what most will say back to me is “yeah but Magius, if you did that the guy would just laugh at you or berate you” - to which I say “if that’s what you believe, then you are completely correct. If you tried something like that it is exactly what would happen to you. Although, if you don’t believe that that MUST happen, and that there is a possibility that not only will the person not verbally demean you they may even thank you for pointing it out to them and thank you…then try and learn that the better will happen”.

Another example is staring. Both men and women have a tendency to stare each other down walking down the street, in rooms, etc. Often it is difficult to tell what their stare is and many of us are hopelessly irritated with deciphering them, so we automatically assume that they are trying to stare us down. It may be worthwhile to try to approach on of these candidates, the more compelling ones ofcourse - the ones you could swear you are sure that they ARE staring you down, and confront them in a respectful manner and say to them “You know, I couldn’t help notice you staring at me. Most people don’t like it when others stare at them, especially when they don’t know them. So could you kindly tell me why you were staring at me or why you feel compelled to try to stare someone down?” - and magic will happen, remember my words.

Bill, the first example is really a small one and may appear to be irrelevant, there are many more related examples I could have chosen. But I chose a simple, apparently not important everyday example for a purpose. Those of us who have problems standing up for ourselves or others in situations where it is obviously and necessarily called for, need to start off with these not so life altering situations in order to prep ourselves, or build our confidence, as well as temperance with ourselves and others. Too often we act with haste, agression, or not at all. All of these are wrong, in my opinion. Even those whom you would assume to be obtuse should be approached with dignity and respect until proven otherwise. If as my previous statement illustrates, you are berated for pointing something out to someone, then I am all for taking equal levels of retribution against them. But the ultimate person of power, knowledge, and experience (in my opinion) never needs to resort to those levels. Just as, in my opinion, the ultimate martial artist would be one who need not exert enormous pain and damage on their opponent, s/he merely uses their energy against them to disable them. When a person (even in anger and rage) observes that all their efforts against you only end up hurting them, they will stop. I guarantee you.

What’s your take?

i took philosophy my first year of university as my major. but then i thought about it… where exacally to i play to go with this degree of mine afterwards and make it worth spending 30,000 bucks on and putting myself into debt for when as matt damon put it i could have got all the same knowledge spending “on libarary late charges”. and thats the way i look at now. school isnt the route ya need to go if ya wanna do philosophy.

even tho the course itself was fucking kickass

Holy Missing People Batman!

Frighter is back! Welcome back Frighter!

Where have you been young man? :laughing: j/k

On a serious note, what university did you take your philosophy major in?
Seeing how you are from Ontario, as am I, maybe we’ve bumped into each other.

Reading your post over I remember having those very same thoughts about university in the first place, not really related to Philosophy though.
For me university is primarily about an education and secondarily about the diploma. Although, if I was rich I would still attend university but not care whatsoever about the diploma. Furthermore, I think university is a good discipline, to have to be in a class room at a certain time, to do homework, assignments, etc. I can’t honestly say that if I was in a library educating myself (as many brilliant people have done, Abraham Lincoln for one) that I would be disciplined enough to really delve into each topic the way university makes us. Those times in classes that we find boring are very important, but if we were educating ourselves and we ended up in those boring parts of texts, I’m pretty sure most of us would just skip over it and our knowledge would never penetrate the surface of any real topic.

That quote is from GoodWill Hunting, is it not? I love that movie.

Although I agree that you don’t NEED school to go the route of philosophy, it doesn’t mean it isn’t a good route to take. Just as you don’t need to eat a carrot, or a pie, or meat, in order to feed yourself, you still need to feed nevertheless. In the same way, whether you learn in a library, university, college, or internet, you still need an education. Of all the research, statistics, and education all together I have done, education has always been a positive effect. It makes you happier, if it isn’t forced. It makes the economy better, efficiency grows. Most of the great innovations we use were brainstormed or created in the first five years after the Second World War. In America the soldiers returning from Europe were left unemployed cause there were no jobs to give them, many states implemented a program that gave the soldiers free tuition and access to attend college or university to educate themselves. It was these ex-soldiers that not only helped America remain the world power, but increased its power and efficiency two-fold.

So if you think of school the way you do, are you in a library studying?

What’s your take?

Hello Magius the magnanimous. Welcome back Frighter.

In addition to education and the inclinations of one’s heart one must rely upon one’s own indomitable will. In and of itself the ego ( i here use ego and will interchangeably and do not necessarily use ego in a Freudian sense) is a wonderful thing. Often, however, this noble engine is tied to an inferior vehicle.

Society will often act to hinder the individual. Culture and religion act to narrow one’s perspective, rather than enhance it. One must learn from them, however, in order to surpass them. One must free fall MANY times in order to fly once as a free spirit.

YES! One must be made to be uncomfortable, to learn from sinners and saints, to drink the cup of life from every table. If we don’t this consciously i’m sure that the subconscious will. Thanks for that beautiful idea. I think myself to be much too often the milquetoast, but being uncomfortable can be a great aid to ones development. and when one becomes developed, THAT is when society will benefit.

“One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing star.”
Friedrich Nietzsche

Haste and aggression are almost always wrong. It's easy to treat people as objects, and understanding often comes too late to be of any difference.

 Magius said,

It definitely worked for Martin Luther King Jr and Mahatma Mohandas Ghandi. non cooperation is not equal to hate, i think that’s where Marx went wrong.