Hello all. I am Travis, a victim of society and Seer of Forbidden Truths.
I present a “beta” version on My philosophy and social analysis website for critique. I challenge any one of you to be able to legitimately refute and of My Forbidden Truths.
Although I very much favor the general idea of your site and much of what you have said, it appears to me as being a little imprecise and even getting into “ranting”.
Something that few people seem to recognize is that if you do not know the solution, then you do not really know the problem. It is easy to say, “this isn’t good” until you find out that what you are aiming at is the truly best available, in which case, by definition, it is the good and anything else would have been the bad.
You don’t seem to be offering any solutions but rather merely pointing at everything and calling it bad. I have said myself that all of Man has been truly insane since his inception and it doesn’t look like he is ever going to discover sanity as a species (never truly knowing good from bad).
“Forbidden Truth always consists of nothing but factually accurate, concrete, objective facts that are thoroughly, honestly and legitimately analysed.”
I don’t believe that statement. Accuracy is not gained by such means as you present. Even if all of your conclusive statements were correct, they have NOT been substantiated in any discernible and accountable way. But don’t get me wrong. I am not saying that your statements are necessarily false just because you haven’t proven them to be true. A conspiracy is not much of a conspiracy if you can prove it, yet no government has ever been established without conspiracy and collusion (but don’t ask me to prove that one either).
To be credible, you have to establish an accountability process or method. I don’t see anything representing that on your site.
As far as your challenge;
Every statement you made using the word “abuse” is false. You don’t define what “abuse” means and leave it up to the reader to make it into what he chooses, therefore, I choose that it means something different than you, thus your statements are false.
And even still there are few people that seem to recognize that not everything has a solution where they assume there to a be a solution where there are none at all.
When there are those people who go about on a hunt for a solution for things often enough trying to force solutions make things far worse than what they originally were. Pretty soon new situations are created where there is a need to force many solutions for many problems all of them of course self inflicted until a giant catastrophe soon occurs.
Best available? What is best available is not available for everyone at any given time in that what is best available is always inequally distributed.
So when you say best available you do not mean for everybody but for a specific group of people.
This will then lead me to the question, best available for whom?
But as long as a few opulent individuals can enjoy the fruits and rewards of life while the many expirience nothing but hardship everything is alright, right?
Imprecise how? Your answer is somewhat imprecise as to exactly what you refer to!
Of course, this is not a theological matter where I can rely purely on argument. Life being what it is, there is always going to be life experience involved with the Forbidden Truth.
I really need precise replies with exact quotes to reply. As per the “ranting”, some of the content is deliberately of a True Reality variety, especially about killers.
Rubbish. I can name many things where we know of problems where we know not of solutions. I actually have many “solutions” (in theory) - but the Forbidden Truth is that humanity is too devolved and brainwashed to ever implement them.
However, lack of solutions does not falsify the extreme, yet accurate, criticisms I make of society.
The reason it is so easy to find the “bad” is because society itself is so diseased and malevolent. It is not a case of some kind of “sliding scale”.
Again, so what? Although I do offer some solutions, on some topics, I can provide them. The amount of space and work involved has prevented that, although that can be implemented in the future. It is a fair criticism to observe a lack of solutions, however, that still does not refute the Forbidden Truths I reveal.
Well I don’t know about inception. Certainly humanity is flawed, and has been so for centuries. However, this process is becoming more pronounced, more irreversibly set in stone every day.
Forbidden Truth is defined as that. If a part of the site fails that standard, then it is not a Forbidden Truth.
Of course, the site is an on-going work. If there is something missing, don;t presume I dont know the answer to it. I might not have yet presented something that is concretely and factually based, but that does not mean I dont know it Myself.
None of the core Forbidden Truths are conspiracies. There are True Reality and personal accounts on the web-site, perhaps you refer to those.
You need to precisely quote what the issue is. Your critique-part of your reply is so vague as to be un-answerable.
There’s something quite pitiful about this victim stance you are adopting, and your desperate clinging and demanding of truth. It’s a sorry state to be in when one is a slave, but it’s even more sorry when the slave finds grounds to resent his slavery, yet cannot rid himself of his slavery at a fundamental level - and then makes a virtue out of it!
So you’ve realised that government doesn’t play by the rules? Well done. Government make the rules - like truth, virtue and other forms of obedience, but not for themselves! It’s just intelligent to do things this way - it’s how you stay on top and secure your advantage. The rules are for others to follow, it would only be restrictive and imprudent for a leader/group of leaders to impose on themselves too.
As long as you stay caged within the confines of “your” virtues and truth demands, you’ll only ever succeed in an ineffective slave revolt and more widespread resentment. Supposing you created a movement that actually overthrew government - assuming that is your goal - what then? Would you carry on your virtue, leaving you vulnerable to those who attack without following rules? Perhaps your goal is merely to impose your suffering on others - you become one of these “Poison Containers” all over again yourself! Since you cannot break out of your slavelike situation, you impose this suffering on others and walk away feeling better, but leaving others feeling worse and in need of doing the same thing all over again - just like what you criticise!!
You think others need to wake up to your truth, - you need to wake up. What’s so bad about lies? Surely the point is that every tactic possible is used for the best results. Just because you might have been hurt that you were lied to, that’s only something to whine about if you insist on remaining inside the rules that were imposed on you by the same leaders who lie to you. If you were able to think outside of these morals, you might understand a thing or two more about how to best run a country.
This post seems to indicate a failure to grasp Forbidden Truth philosophy. Although you are correct that there are many advantages available to “opulent” individuals, such as money, the Truth here is that virtually all citizen-slaves have rejected Truth.
Truth is more valuable than money, status and so on. I would not Trade a position of oppression and poverty but living the Truth, for one of wealth and power but living a lie.
The citizen-slaves are fake, phony - their lives are a lie and they are pathetic. They hate themselves, their lives are full of pain, artificial and toxic behaviour and thought patterns. They have not “won” anything - they have a different but still totally invalid and sad existence. But most important of all is that they are a stranger to themselves, they are alone in company, and they have no legitimate freedom.
Of course there are individuals who don’t fit that mould who are rich…and poor. But most do.
Oh? Why is that? Because you typed the words using a qwerty keyboard? You are on a philosophy site, and that is going to be your case?
There is nothing pitiful about recognizing and embracing the Truth that I was, am, and forever will be a tortured victim-creation of My society. By doing this, I have violated a societal fascist decree that I should pretend and kid Myself I am “responsible” for the harm society foisted upon Me.
There is nothing desperate about Truth, only something desperate about those who see it and cannot handle it. I don’t demand Truth, I recognize, embrace and reveal Truth.
I am not a mental slave of society, those who cannot recognize and embrace Truth are. If one is a victimized slave, one should recognize the Truth of his slavery. I make no virtue out of slavery to society - anything but. That is you making a strawman.
Of course the government plays by the rules most of the time - it invented them. Who mentioned the government anyway? What is that in reference to? I said society and culture, not government.
The government has no Truth or virtue in its insane dictates. Nor does it make Truth or virtue. Society’s decrees regarding what virtue is are false, toxic, malevolent and lie-based.
Societal leaders are always extremely enraged victims of their society. They are leading society, but that does not mean that they are “on top” with an advantage. This is because they still have to live in what they have created - a lie - at least for show. What they are doing is not intelligent but complicated and malevolent. Generally, most laws are obeyed and followed by societal leaders. They have simply constructed these laws in such a way that society can undertake the illegal actions and still refer to them as legal.
What are you talking about? I mentioned no such thing in My manifesto. What demands? What virtues? Where is a revolt coming from???
You have not read My website to any degree, I take it.
I am not principally against the government at all. I am against lies and myths - and thus society and culture.
I am not attempting to overthrow any government. I have no interest in that even if I could do so.
I am not trying to change anything, help anyone, or educate anyone.
I never criticized that. I promote that for those who need to do so.
This says it all!!! What a joke. Right here, folks, I am asked to “wake up” to what is false. Amazing.
What is that about? What best results? War, genocide, boredom, abortion, destruction of the natural habitat? Systematic widespread child abuse? Total genetic inferiority of the human species?
I’ve got new for you - no society on earth is run to get “best” results. They are lunatic asylums run by megalomaniac and enraged loonies who are bent on controlling, subjugating and breaking the lives of all human beings in their sphere of influence.
404, FAIL. You speak of Truth as if you know. What is truth is what ever I say it is. Nothing more, nothing less. You’ve trapped yourself in the biggest lie of all: That there is any external truth to be discovered. If this is the biggy, take it to the religion forum where metaphysical claims are taken half-seriously.
The above two posts are pathetic. Look at the shabby dishonesty that even philosophers are reduced to. The Forbidden Truth philosophy stands triumphant.
It is a philosophy, not a religion. Society is based on lies and religious drivel. My website critiques society, and I give the reason for doing so. Of course, there is more to Forbidden Truth than currently on the site, and if it really was a matter of simply insufficient evidence, then why did you not explain the issue, quote the site, and ask for an answer?
Obviously, you cannot handle the Truth. It is too much for you to bear, thus the silly dismissive argument.
Another “special” person and a “seer” to boot. The virtual equivalent of the soap box orator on the street corner. Just more quack quack as if we haven’t heard it a hundred times before.
They are Forbidden Truths, not ungrounded assertions. Your argument is a semantical one at best. It seeks to ask “what is Forbidden Truth”, rather than look at the Truths themselves.
There are grounds for them on the website. If there is any specific issue you have, you need to specify. You ask for things so vague no answer could satisfy you.
You are being vague, you are being dismissive. Not rational.
So you must be claiming to be able to handle truth, to recognise, embrace and reveal it. And you do this by “not trying to change anything, help anyone, or educate anyone.”
I’ll let you off the contradiction in your ‘revealing truth’, yet ‘not educating anyone’. I won’t let you off your martyrish stance of embracing truth and doing nothing about it - what could be more of an oxymoron, to hold something so highly, yet to prevent yourself from taking action upon it. To let the antithesis of your ideal thrive unhindered by you, and to hold onto your ideal so tight that it can only be watched by others as in a zoo.
It’s the cowardice that is pitiful. To take it upon yourself, that you are not responsible for the harmful consequences of living in a society - yet you do nothing about this - it’s like you WANT the pain of oppression and suffering at the hands of something outside of yourself.
You don’t seem to understand the kind of mental slave that you are. You think that if you take a perverse stance that is your own, that you have control over the situation and show powerful individuality. You don’t. Making this idea of “truth” into the ultimate start and end of everything is to worship a God - something outside of your self, a measure that all can recognise and go by and measure themselves against. Truth or God can be very personal to people, but ultimately they are things that are outside of you to hold closely - unless they are you. If they were you, they would be your thoughts and your actions. Since you do not act, you reveal your truth to be something outside of you who you follow, you are an absolute slave.
Wow, what a misconception.
Societal leaders are those who have a respect for power structures. They know where they stand and are in a position to stand highly. Only a perverse martyr like yourself would deny this opportunity - out of a slavelike urge to act under virtue or something else other than your own instinct. Lust for power is not rage nor frustration nor dissatisfaction - that is the slave conception of something they do not understand. The slave only understands reacting to what oppresses them, and outside of that they just operate on a small level that does not gain power over others. They don’t appear to be able to conceive of desiring power out of default.
You do need to wake up to what is false. In particular your own lies you have imposed on yourself out of ignorance. There are lies everywhere that are more essential than any notion of truth. You don’t seem to understand the essential nature of the lie - you don’t seem to properly understand what lies really are.
You don’t understand how you really reverence the lie - through your obsession with handling the ‘cure’ to it.