philosophy majors + Hegel

What do they know that ‘we’ don’t? :stuck_out_tongue: :astonished:
(besides the typical postmodern ‘cliche’ reasoning -not that I’m against it, cuz I like it that truth(the absolute kind, don’t stone me yet)and absolutes don’t exist and that all is self-referential and subjective and depends on the context).
ok maybe some don’t even acknowledge or know that…or maybe it’s just me thinking that stuff is ‘true’ (haha…true)…

here’s one question…that I’d love 4 Sauwelios 2 answer :smiley:

  • I, heavenly demonic :stuck_out_tongue: , have gotten 2 the conclusion some time ago, that the fundamental truth about our human condition (psychology) and ‘our’ metaphysics (of our reality…(reality encompassing everything you can possibly conceive…not just the real)…are based in Nietzsches concept of the will to power, cause it (for me) just seems to describe everything very well…beter than anything I encountered before.
    but now…I ask Sauwelios… is this an absolute? the absolute we’ve searched 4 so long and is in front of our eyes and we don’t really acknowledge?..
    or is it stupid to think of it as an absolute and Nietzsche would’ve shunned me :stuck_out_tongue:

Does Hegel’s idea that ‘the idea’ is the absolute perfect truth, agree with Nietzsche’s ‘will to power’ and that postulate of his that ‘there is imagining going on’?. (to me it does…what do you think?).

:astonished: uhhh… are the threads I post really that lame?..
how come they always go unanswered? :cry:

answered!

thank u satori :frowning:

I try when I can! :stuck_out_tongue:

This one doesn’t sound lame, it sounds too deep. I, for one, am having trouble understand what you’re asking. Maybe you could break it down into several posts.

I guess I’m basically asking ‘has philosophy discovered ‘‘truth’’?’

I had not noticed your thread yet, heavenly.

I will show you what my superior in Nietzschianiis thinks:

“Is that [the Will to Power] a delusion too?
Probably, but we have to pursue it first to find out.”
[Moody Lawless.]

Let us pursue the will to power, and treat it as a provisional hypothesis.

“One should not be deceived: great spirits are skeptics. Zarathustra is a skeptic. Strength, freedom which is born of the strength and overstrength of the spirit, proves itself by skepticism. Men of conviction are not worthy of the least consideration in fundamental questions of value and disvalue. Convictions are prisons. Such men do not look far enough, they do not look beneath themselves: but to be permitted to join in the discussion of value and disvalue, one must see five hundred convictions beneath oneself—behind oneself… A spirit who wants great things, who also wants the means to them, is necessarily a skeptic. Freedom from all kinds of convictions, to be able to see freely, is part of strength… Great passion, the ground and the power of his existence, even more enlightened, even more despotic than he is himself, employs his whole intellect; it makes him unhesitating; it gives him courage even for unholy means; under certain circumstances it does not begrudge him convictions. Conviction as a means: many things are attained only by means of a conviction. Great passion uses and uses up convictions, it does not succumb to them—it knows itself sovereign.—”
[Nietzsche, The Antichristian, section 54.]

But there are two distinct kinds of skepticism: skepticism of weakness and skepticism of strength. Skepticism of weakness is;

“the incurable wretchedness of a heart which is no longer hard enough for evil or for good, of a broken will which no longer commands, can no longer command.”
[Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, section 209.]

Skepticism of strength is;

“the skepticism of audacious manliness, which is related most closely to genius for war and conquest and which first entered Germany in the person of the great Frederick. This skepticism despises and yet grasps to itself; it undermines and takes into possession; it does not believe but retains itself; it gives perilous liberty to the spirit but it keeps firm hold on the heart”.
[ibid.]

This last aspect is crucial:

Bound heart, free spirit.— If one binds one’s heart firmly and imprisons it one can allow one’s spirit many liberties”.
[BGE 87.]

The weakness of the weak skeptic is a weakness of the will: and this will comes from the heart, it is a passion, it is love, eros:

“The decadence [weakness of the will] that besets late modernity […] comprises an assault on beauty itself, as potential objects of erotic attraction [like Nietzsche] are systematically debased. Indeed, if it were no longer possible to “attach one’s heart” to a great human being, in whom one sees reflected one’s own prospects for self-perfection, then one would have no means of redeeming one’s hatred of oneself. The future of humankind as a whole would no longer be warranted, and the teachings of Silenus [that the best thing would be not to exist, and the next-best thing is to die soon] would become wisdom once again.”
[Daniel Conway, Love’s labor’s lost.]

For us, we who affirm life, the worst thing would be to die soon; and the next-worst thing is to die at all. Therefore we affirm the eternal recurrence: we will forever be reborn and return again from destruction, to this identical and self-same life!

Hail Nietzsche!

How does one bind the heart without curbing the hearts will?

“Energy being increased, Nature will herself supply clarity: our Vision is obscure only because our Energy is deficient. For Energy is the Substance of the Universe. When it is adequate, we are in no doubt as to how to employ it; witness the evident case of the will of the Adolescent.”
[Aleister Crowley, Little Essays toward Truth, Energy.]

See - a post like that will draw responses like a magnet.

Sauwelios,

I can see the relevance of Neiztche to a question like this - he sort of saw himself as beyond Truth, and philosophy was, at best, a tool to create truths. At least, that’s what I get out of it, and I’m inclined to agree.

What kind of conclusions would you draw from the quotes you sited (pertaining to Heavenly Demonic’s question, of course)?

Hail Nietzsche!!!
I wanna marry him! lol…

I agree, totally… :astonished:

yup :stuck_out_tongue: what… :stuck_out_tongue:

You mention that you think the will to power explains/describes the human condition, because it’s the best candidate you have as yet come across. Keep an open mind because there are many more candidates you will come across.

While you read Nietzsche, also bear in mind that it’s very hard to find fault with someone who doesn’t actually make many arguments. He’s more of a political idealist or poet.

That, according to Nietzsche, it is all a question of strength (of will (to power)). (All strength is strength of will; and all will is will to power.)

you may be right…but actually, I have considered many points of view to describe the human condition b4 this 1 and I think this 1 fits better than any other (to me).

would you recomend me some philosophers of your liking that do make sound arguments? and probably could make me change my mind about the will to power explaining everything?.
:astonished: :stuck_out_tongue:

[laughing]

Yes, Nietzsche rants more than argues.

You may call it “rants”, which is an insult, of course. Nietzsche said he was usually too proud to use arguments.

The fact is Nietzsche argued for and against argument at several points, and did so quite well.

This is why he is as untouchable as he is controversial.