Philosophy of Rap

Seemingly throughout the african history, as well as in their new location in North America, there has been a tradition of wordplay, and competitions of the same sort. In modern times this has come to be known as rap and/or freestyle. Basically the rules are simple, you want to speak in such a way that it flows seemlessly, within a given beat, while still building a statement that makes sense, and gets the crowd going.

Alot of the time most of what is said are ad hom attacks, and that is where alot of people loose the message - because they’re looking too hard for it. Philosophy is frusterating sometimes because while there are boundaries and rules, it’s ultimately a flawed form of expression. How do you solve the mind body problem using words? Rap however, solves this dilemma by accepting words for what they are, desciptions. Any sport of competition is the ideal society; everyone knows the rules, and they are enforced immediately. Rap as it exists nowadays is different, because the audience is so massive. But in any freestyle, say in a local club, the winner is decided definitively. These are the roots of rap.

In true production rap albums the trick is to combine the beats and rhymes in such a way that is either a) A direct response to some person or group or b) An artistic route.

A)

Here we see Em talking to the media basically. And it works on a couple levels because he makes a point, but he also presents it so well (The song is called ‘Renegade’ if you wanna listen). This is at the heart of rap, it doesnn’t matter if what you’re saying is the most sound argument… it’s not so much what you say… but how you say it.

Let’s look at an attack…

B)

Again, you might see this… see a bunch of ‘motherfuckings’ and say to yourself ‘this is shit’. Philosophically is is shit, but that doesnn’t mean there isn’t a depth to rap. It is perhaps the most elaborate form of the spoken word. Especially the guys that freestyle on the spot… some of that is unreal.

Now… this is not to say there isn’t a dark side to rap, at least today. The industry has developed in such a way that true artists that want to approach the music from a poetic point of view simply do not get a real chance. And it is political, but flooding the market with shitty music with no real content or catalyst for thinking, the effect is that it keeps the inner city black youth ignorant in a certain way. Creative attacks have turned to flat our death threats and even violence as we’ve seen with tupac/biggie and stuff like that. The ignorance of the streets can lead to sensless, and illogical violence when the big artists don’t separate themselves from it.

Rap is certainly flawed, maybe moreso than any other form of music… but it does have its good artists, and high points.

realy its hard but the snow evaporates before the clock hits home.

What do you mean by that?

what do you mean, ‘Rap is certainly flawed, maybe moreso than any other form of music’? Why?

There’s this whole bullshit attitude to rap, that it’s some primitive, black form of expression that the white man can come along and analyse and justify.

By the rigorous analytic standpoint we ought to judge things by, rap is ‘shit’. But we’re going to make allowances for it because its pure authentic expression. You know, the sort those poor black people are good at. With their sense of rhythm and all.

Rap doesn’t need apologies, it thrives on critical engagement, like any other form of poetry. And it doesn’t need the whole mainstream/alternaive dichotomy; the greatest thing about rap is that it completely rubbishes this distinction. Some of the most interesting beats in rap right now are coming from ‘mainstream’ producers like the neptunes and timbaland; they’re also coming from ‘alternative’ producers like madlib, el-p, etc.; when they’re on form, Jay-Z, Nas, Missy are all shit hot; so are MF DOOM, Jehst, El-p.Rap obliterates this sort of distinction and shows us that good music is just good music. And good poetry is always just good poetry.

Check out this.

Nighthawk,

I agree with what you’re saying.

When I said ‘rap is the most flawed form of music’ I should have said… it’s the most flawed industry in music. It is not inherently bad, but the way it exists in the public nowdays certainly is cause for concern.

When the message -which is supposed to be taken in fun, as a competition of sorts- gets changed to a literal ‘I’m going to kill you’ type proclamation then we see that it starts to breed violence, and a certain ignorance as well.

The underlying poetic message is getting lost. This is the flaw I speak of. It’s one that can only be seen when viewed from the national scale.

i mean if your treat present time like a serial that sound s best whil iterupting present time, then you will be sincere, as opposed to scramled t.v. aka blurry and hating it green egos and hame. present time, is white im glactic love is why im hart.

You make me think in a painful way… galactic.

I am not a racist, so when I say that I’d love nothing more than to exterminate the entire “black” race, I mean that I wish to destroy a culture, which just so happens to be of the black people. It isn’t that I don’t like “black people,” but that the culture they practice is like a fucking virus. Everything was cool until King and Malcom X, perhaps the only respectable “black philosophers” to ever be known publically, said the right things to the wrong people. Sorry guys, you shoulda waited until they were fully evolved from apes before you began your campaign for “equal rights.” Hey, I hate whitey too, but that doesn’t mean I am automatically for the other team. Both of you can eat shit.

If I could…if I could push a button and kill em’ all, I’d do it. But wait. I mean no disrespect. It is the other people who are subjected to their shit, who I wish to protect. If that means exterminating an entire race for such a greater good…I’d do it in a new york minute.

Sorry “homies,” but you gotta go. I’ll give your race ten more years to pull your fucking heads out of your asses or I’m going postal on you.

I was just watching “MTV” and there was a show centered around “Puff-Daddy” and the auditions he holds for “video dancers.” Not fifteen seconds into it I was enraged. Do I have to explain? Just look at that piece of shit!

“Puff Daddy,” if you are out there reading this, I want you to know that at least one man can see through you…and that man is me. I would love nothing more than to meet you in person so you can prove to me just how great you are. You can bring your posse with you. They can take a number and wait in line for their ass-whooping after I’m done with you. No guns, you pussy.

Every teenager in america is wearing your t-shirt and you haven’t done a goddamn thing but sit there with your oversized bottom lip hanging down like fucking monkey and your thousand dollar wardrobe, in some studio some fat white guy bought so he could get rich off of selling your bullshit to ignorant kids all over the world.

No, Puff, you don’t fool me. Rememba dat, you fucking disaster.

(please excuse my rant, ILP, but I have serious issues with “hip-hop”)

p.s. I want to be Mexican. I am in love with my amigos. I had a profound bonding experience with my crew this past week and I think I want to move to Mexico.

Detrop,

that was unneeded.

Besides… it’s the white politicians that are keeping the black culture the way that it is. It is not the black’s fault. If you had read more than my thread title before you decided to take a mental shit you’d see I alluded to that. What makes the ‘white’ culture so great anyways? I think what you should have said is ‘I hate any culture that isn’t at least a distorted mirror of how I act and think’ - at least you woulda sounded like Saitd and not a drunk asshole.

This doesn’t enable you to go ahead start spouting ridiculousness clearly aimed at 1 race/culture.

Get it together.

(Happy New Year :wink:)

What 3 things can’t a black man get?

A fat lip, a black eye and a job…

Hello F(r)iends,

:laughing: Same old story… Here you go: :-({|=

Might {makes right}.

Happy New Year!

-Thirst

détrop wrote:

Seriously! What do people think a racist is these days???

Dictionary.com says

So, are we sure about that statement?

someoneisatthedoor wrote:

Unfortunately, it doesnt surprise me that you felt the need to write that. [-X, Ill be sure to [-o< for you.

Much love to everybody on this site!

Old Gob, you’re onto it–the new wave of realization that is the union of philosophical awareness with its already-manifest-occurence within the world of popular culture.

You observe that where books were once the only medium for the mass-transmission of the “word”, now we have a new medium, audio-poetic-aesthetics–the best projected no doubt effected by the Eros-inspired not-so-Platonic ebonics.

God bless they texture.

Detrop: You have officially inspired my first motivated attack
against a specific “philosopher-wanna-be” as an “existential detective” could ever embody…just kidding, although I wasn’t at first–you take great liberties with a sensitive matter, but that deserves respect for courage I suppose…

my point is…

absolut relativism…

There is nothing any more “wrong” with hip-hop culture
than say Euro-liberal-arts nonsense philosophy
(but you admit this in your proposition we blow up everything…
which is incidentally much in keeping with gangsta-violence, yet only in a lonely, sort of walled-up-in-his -room-geek-kind of way with which I can personally identify, as opposed to the glamourous Nietschean POWER-inspired chest-beating of hip-hop’s majestic embarassment…)

culture is a vulture, you can’t. Explain. Words
You can but it’s absurd
that’s all that “white” deserves (GOBBY!)

HIPpety HOP RULE THE WORLD!

POEMS ARE NOW RHYMES ENHANCED!

ADMIT DEFEAT, 'TROP and DANCE!!!

“RAP”-E NEW LIFE, MUTHAS PEACE IN 'O 666 -mic

stupid.

I must say that I agree with detrop American black people are dangerous degenerates. I can see no end in sight to it either. My biggest hope is that it’s all cultural.

I believe that I spent most of my waking hours with black people over the course of the last seven years and have had a lot of good experiences. However, I must admit that Europe was a relief to be in. Black people and black culture were almost non-existent.

What I find the most disgusting is the constant hypocrisy in black culture. I also say that a hypocrite is only one if they know it, and it’s scarier if they didn’t know it in this case, and I suspect that they don’t. Anyway, the contradiction comes from the religious/drug-user/liar; the stylish/uneducated; the violent/sweet man-boy; the church-going/bitch, and so forth.

While in England a lot of people were asking me about blacks in America, as they wanted to know about the motives of Caribbean Young in relation to violence. A few people told me that once they got illegal guns they went crazy. Being honest, I basically said to prepared to have your country ruined.

It’s my prediction that black people have been on a long slow slide out of existence. I still don’t think that it’s race though. For instance, no black African people ever figured out the wheel, however, subsequent people understand it and the same can’t be said for a dog or a monkey.

So, my conclusion is black culture still holds to its ancient standards and has not developed concepts that stand for love, honor, duty, and fidelity. Most rap music and black culture lacks these things. I believe that when you hear good sentiments coming from black people almost always they are derivative of white or middle-eastern cultural concept. This is a veneer.

There seems to be no end.

This coming from a person who (without a tinge of humour) sticks all white males in one bag and blames them exclusively for both the Slave Trade and contemporary racism. I don’t believe for a second that you’ll pray, someone as monolithically prejudiced as you cannot be particularly spiritual.

I agree with Thirst. Its the same old song and dance. “The white man is keeping me down, yada, yada, yada.” Right! So get on with your fucking rebellion and wage war against whitey…or shut the hell up!

I would like nothing more than provoking a war between the white and black, with hopes that you destroy each other in the process. Let’s get on with it!

Not a damn thing. Its scum. Let me explain something to you. There are two forces at work here. Whitey is the puppet-master and blacky is the puppet. Each one blames the other. Both of them are trash. The “hip-hop” industry is a disease that has resulted from the decline of artistic integrity throughout the last twenty years. “Rap” is not music. It is lame poetry sold through the medium of music. The reason why it is so popular is because Whitey, the puppet-master, has taken advantage of the social conflicts in america and produced an expediency, via rap music, as a kind of expressive voice againt such troubles, as a means to induce consumerism. So we got Whitey, who has created the problems so he can turn around and create a solution…and get rich in the process. Laughing all the while at both Ice-T and the kids who buy the shit.

Right. Here they are- at some hole-in-the-wall club in downtown new-york, a fat white talent scout noticed how many kids were impressed with MC Ash-Tray while he rapped. He got a big idea. He thought to himself- “holy-shit…this is perfect. These kids absolutely love this monkey! I could get rich selling this shit to kids everywhere.” Then he approached MC Ash-Tray and said- “how would like to own a BMW and mounds of gold jewelry?” “You know dis, playa!”- he responds. “Great, sign here and here and meet me at this studio. We will produce a record in three days.” [sinister grin]

“Rap” music is a perfect example of mediocre artistry which can be produced very rapidly and is very popular. There is nothing to it, dude. There is no skill in rap. I could free-style circles around you, kid. How hard is it to catalogue groups of words in one’s mind that rhyme?

No. When a rapper stands before the podium while accepting his award and says: "I’d like to thank God for helping me release my album entitled “fuck dees crack-hos,” he cannot expect to be taken seriously. You’ve got to be kidding.

Illativemindindeed, don’t waste your time trying to call me on a technicality. Fuck the dictionary. There is no scienticially possible way to state an objective valuation about a race. Black is no better than white, but culture can most certainly be rated.

How typical for you and Gobbo and rush to defend your race, while the matter I speak of is far beyond you, beyond your ears. I do not expect a generation of such a disaster to understand the circumstances pertaining therein. One cannot tell a sick man that he is sick.

Anyway, nevermind. I was ranting. It matters not whether you understand. Those who do understand what is happening will naturally fall into place. I give hip-hop ten more years before it becomes extinct. Hopefully.

You spend your time glamorizing it…I’ll spend my time destroying it. Deal?

OH MY (nonexistent) GOD!!!

What the hell is wrong with you people? (well some of you anyway)

Black vs. White?

Grow the hell up…

détrop

Hmmm… and this will help… how?

And you the fool who blames everyone for everything, but credit none.

I suggest suicide… solves all you problems…

How right you are… But it can’t hurt to try…

btw… your sick!

TheAdlerian

Oh there’s plenty of that in all cultures… why focus on “black” culture… whatever that is…

Is that so? Ever heard of egypt? just in case you havn’t… it’s located in Africa…

they used to be ahead in almost all respects of science at one point in time… Medicin and astronomy in perticular…

It’d be a HUGE proclemation of ignorence to claim that the “black” race is an inferior one…

This actually IS a proclimation of ignorence… lol

You method of “evaluating” black culture is at best laughable…

I’m forced to agree with some of what you are saying but you can spank me silly and call me woody if I agree with your conclusions…

Dear Mad Master P,

Rap music is a genre performed almost exclusively by black people. The record industry is run almost exclusively by white people. Unlike many areas of life the lines are pretty darn clear on this one…

Brings the population down, means that those of Spanish and east Asian descent will rule the world, as they should…

It’s good for what ails ya…

My sick? Whose sick? Apparently we’ve got some sick, everyone, so hold your noses as you pass, a janitor will be along shortly…

I hate to bring you shatteringly back down to Earth but the population of Egypt has never been predominantly black…

They never invented philosophy though…

Why? This is argument by assertion

Again, why? Because you disagree with the reasoning? Because it insults your sensibilities? Because you are black?

Again, why?