Politically Between a Rock and a Hard Place

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It seems like I am a politcally outcast,

I don’t Subscribe to many of the well known parties, specifically the more socially accepted Democratic/Socialist/Liberal Ideology and Many of the more Right wing paries tend to lend themselves too xenophobia and Hate based politics.

If the Word weren’t already muddled I’d consider myself as a moderate, seeking Compromise were possible, though it seems even that term has been completely misused.

I’m opposed to the Rise of Corporatocracy, Specifically in the U.S., Though I like the model of State Corporatism As proposed by Progressives and Certain Fascists.

I’m annoyed by the fact that because Capitalisim is State approved that State resources are often controlled and held by private interests, by people who have little to no accountability.

I Dislike the decline of civil liberties while at the same I personally favor Certain Authoritarian policies (That this government hasn’t instated and that the Neo-Confederates would be in uproar over).

I can see the Advantages of a Mixed Government( With Autocratic/Oligarchic/Republican/Democratic structure) , but have little idea of how it could ever come about.

I Despise the fact that because their is no State Sanctioned Culture, people think Mcdonalds ,Wal-mart and other Consumerist drivel is What the people of this nation really cares about.

I Despise how it’s actually become an American Custom to hate your government.

I don’t know why people act as if the Nation and Government are not intertwined and that politics should be an issue of social welfare not personal status. that anyone who cares for his fellow man should get involved in.

I don’t like How individualism, Consumerism and a love of Economic Success are our Nations primary Motivations.

I hate How Duty and Honor are Scoffed at by the Common citizen as something from a Bygone Era.

I dislike how politcal discussion is often not based in philosophical thought but rather too pandering and untrustworthy promises.

I dislike how people blame government for the wrong actions of private interests.

I dislike how the government is largely filled by those whose primary motive is benefitting these private interests rather than the State as an Entity.

I dislike that those who Oppose the State of this government often seem to support policies I think are just as bad if not worse.

I dislike how those willing to work can’t find adequate work.

I dislike how I can actually see this nation stagnating.

I dislike what I see as the misuse of the military.

I dislike how it’s not seen as wise or respecable to join the Military anymore.

I dislike the lack of Legitmate alternatives.

And finally I dislike the waste of Potential the most.

This seems like a Rant though I plan on makeing more organized posts, so i would appreciate it if you kept it here.

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Perhaps I am just ignorant of the alternatives and those that I could identify with, I understand that this first segment seems like a dissalusioned Rant but it’s not really meant to be, more to put all my cards on the table so to speak.

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SG, before anyone catches the ball and runs with it, will you please differentiate between the State, by which I assume you mean the Federal Government, and the State, which is one of the 50 confederated states within the United States–the United Federation of Individual States. This is a differentiation I don’t think a lot of people understand and it can lead to all sorts of misunderstandings.

Thanks.

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The State is the Union of Government and Nation.

Federal Governments closer though.

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That someone who thinks like you is a political outcast is nothing but a good sign to me. It’d be much worse to be in a world where your ideas were the norm. Thank the Lords of Kobol for that!

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you’re being flippant Flannel. i think Stoic has some legitimate gripes with the status quo - i can’t say i sympathize with everything the OP mentions, but misuse of the military and blaming government for the misbehavior of private interests are at least two big qualms i share with him.

not that what i think is any better to your mind than what Stoic thinks, but i’m just saying - there are some fair complaints in the OP . . .

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i mostly see the ironies in his post.

a good example:

I don’t see how you can dislike both. If the military is being misused, then why would it be respectable to join it? Of course it’s not respectable to join it! How much thought does it take to see this?

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well, i can’t really say what Stoic meant - but the way i read it was that the misuse of the military has led to the lack of respect for it, which means the two statements taken together wouldn’t necessarily be ironic . . .

idk, maybe there are other ironies in what he says - but i guess i relate to his frustration

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Yes, clearly the solution to the problems of government is even more government.

sarcasm

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Sovereign states no longer exist. Everything has become federalized where we are all the enslaved bastards and bitches of the federal reserve. Wake up and smell the tyranny of the modernized military police state.

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Powerful men asserting their private interests is the government blockhead.

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Stoic I am in a mood for nicknames. I have decided I am going to call you Alexander for now on. Just like him it appears you want something similar to global fascist Hellenic rule making everybody a Hellene.

Do you know how he died terribly?

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You could, I do like Alexander the Great, not everything he did I agree with but I’d say I agree with much of what he did.

I wouldn’t really care for it though mainly because Alexander has got to be the Europeans Version of how Arabs name so many of their children Muhammad.

Why are you such an negative absolutist anyway I get that your life hasn’t exactly been perfect but you think it would of been so much better in an anarchist world?

You’d just be confronted with a whole 'nother set of problems, you talk about people idealizes their “fictional” ambitions etc. but your no differant.

Hell im not gonna Argue that Government is perfect but that doesn’t make every government completelyevil corrupt ad run by the selfish rather than those who wish to aid their fellow man.

I think you discredit your own intellegence by being and Anarchist first and a Philosopher second, you bash peoples “fictional metanarratives” and world views but your the same, you take governmental evil as self evident while claiming to be purelysubjectivst. It’s all bunk.

You think anarchism is prefferable to any government fine, whatever.

But nock it off with the hypocrisy.

That said I don’t want this derailed into another Government v. Anarchist discussion.

Yes but he lived Gloriously.

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Why?
What makes me so Terrible?

Also your an Ass :smiley:

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If you hadn’t noticed Joker I want you to be able to find a Job that you can live on, Evil Government indeed…

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Winner…

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Not really. I mean private versus public in terms of ownership, not private like a politician’s individual secrets. Powerful positions in the govt are held publically. Do people holding those positions sometimes abuse the power their position affords? Sure. But that’s just the way humans operate, it’s not a unique consequence of the system. Getting rid of the govt doesn’t mean that powerful men will stop abusing their power. Nor will they stop asserting their personal interests. There will simply be fewer constraints on them.

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To Stoic: I went with the designated nickname of Alexander for you because you and him have a lot in common. He wanted one world government. He wanted a one world culture with a singular form of global government.

He praised imperialism, war, and empire.

Died gloriously? He died foolishly trying to achieve global comquest where after his death his legacy has costed so many deaths on those who have followed in his foot steps. Everybody who has stepped into his foot steps has also died.

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I agree that people are foolish to make a distinction between Nation and Government.

You are getting better Stoic, and not just because of that one line. This is already organized thought, and if you pursue the key doubts, you should be able to finally arrive at a more concrete stance. Though personally, I much prefer pragmatist to concrete if only one can be chosen.