Right, what I’m proposing is social democracy, moderation, not democratic socialism or communism, extremism, which’s what some on the left, especially the deep state, are proposing.
I don’t want to put all our eggs in one basket, in the state, I want a mix of big, intermediate and small business, some public enterprise, mostly private enterprise.
There’re some extremists who think markets are always bad, or that everything government does must be good, or every intervention their party proposes is good.
These people are undiscerning, and they will be used by the elite who want centralize all wealth and power into fewer hands.
They will offer the poor scraps while they destroy the middleclass, small and intermediate business.
Then they’ll put the poor on the harder soft kill.
There’s only so much they can do with the air, food and water supply, they want unmitigated access to our bloodstream directly.
For me, not all social democrats are equal.
Some aren’t even real social democrats, they’re corporatists, state capitalists or stirring up shit between the races and sexes, censoring speech and grabbing guns, hooking up people to the soft kill.
For example, in the US I think Tulsi Gabbard is one of the better ones, whereas AOC and the squad is one of the worst.
My socialism is more libertarian or conservative leaning, insofar as socialism can lean such.
Pragmatically, I think most of it doesn’t matter much anymore. Western Civilization is on a course with a firm direction. The Bill of Rights and Constitution were good ideas which have built a strong foundation for hundreds of years. However the rules of the 1900s, 1800s, 1700s, are no longer relevant. The world has changed fundamentally. I view both the DNC and RNC as lagging behind, failing to adapt, which is how Trump got into office. An Anti-Establishment Populist president jammed-up the normal process, and exposed deep social rot and political corruption. Now the cat is out of the bag, it’s on full display for the US public, and worse, our foreign enemies, to see. However the MSM, the body-guard of the Deep State establishment has ripped apart the First Amendment and Free Speech to block the US public’s honest reaction to all this corruption.
This means that our foreign enemies are aware of the rot, but the US public is not, it is distinctly divided down the middle. This only hurts USA and helps all foreign adversaries and competitors. On top of this, because of the Marxist incursion in the US education system, there’s no going back. There will be no “unity” anytime soon.
This is going to lead to very powerful political considerations and questions, including: should we keep the US Constitution? Or, should we go through a real Revolt, and build a new/better/different Society? And this would call into question this thread, newer forms of politics and governance. However any new system would need to be updated and adaptable, hence, more Globalist and less Isolationist. The Corporate elites already demonstrate this in their loyalties and lobbying.
Yea unfortunately you may be right about this.
The west is dumbed down.
Libertarian republicanism and the sort of populist democracy I’ve described may no longer be viable.
It may be a question of which sort of authoritarian dictatorship we’re going to have.
Freedom and democracy comes and goes.
The US is the world’s oldest democracy, it’s had it for nearly 250 years.
Roman democracy, which America’s was based on, lasted for 500 years, but time moved slower back then, ours has gotten more decadent faster.
Perhaps only a left or rightwing dictatorship could keep this thing together.
I see, you’re more capitalist (fiscal) and libertarian (social) first, I presume corporatist, and conservative 2nd, and socialist and progressive not at all.
I’d say you’re more center-right (I think of capitalism and libertarianism as the center, corporatism and conservatism as the right and socialism and progressivism as the left).
I’m actually capitalist and libertarian first too, for I think more money should be in private hands than the public’s, socialist and conservative 2nd and corporatist and progressive a distant 3rd or not at all.
I’m fiscally center-left and socially center-right.
Basically I think the golden age of America, and Canada (actually there’s a lot of historical parallels between America and Canada, our political histories are similar in many respects), and the anglosphere in general was the post-war era, which lasted from 1945-65, altho you may have a different era in mind, perhaps Jacksonian democracy (before the civil war) or the gilded age (after the civil war), before progressivism entered American politics would be more to your liking.
Interestingly the republicans adopted a bit of progressivism first with Teddy Roosevelt’s square deal, but the democrats adopted quite a bit of progressivism (mostly economic) later with Franklin Roosevelt’s new deal.
It’s interesting to see what dems and republicans argued over before progressivism entered American politics.
The civil rights and Reagan eras weren’t bad, altho I think they both took things too far in some respects.
Another way of looking at things, when authority should be exercised (again I’m more of a libertarian than an authoritarian), is I think the 99% should exercise sociopolitical and fiscal authority over the 1% first, and the 1% should exercise sociopolitical and fiscal authority over the 99% second or not at all.
Men and the majority should exercise sociopolitical and fiscal authority over women and minorities first or not at all, and women and minorities over men and the majority second or not at all.
The anglosphere’s right, especially America of course is relatively very libertarian.
Continental Europe’s right tends to be a bit more populist, in the sense I mean it.
Right, left and right are becoming more extreme, you’ve got the national libertarians on the right and the global authoritarians on the left.
I side more with the national libertarians.
For me masks, and the vaccine is my line in the sand, there’s no way I’m going along with that, and they will try to enforce it, restricting our freedoms, our ability to get around, then there’s the race riots, the thuggery.
Yea sux they’re taking our free speech too.
Yes I agree, it looks like we’re headed for some sort of WW2 2.0.
Libertarians and populists in some parts, perhaps even fascists and national socialists in others may rise to do battle with aggressive neo-Marxists.
They are sort of creating what they hate, the PC crap has gotten wildly out of hand.
DT is mild compared to what they may unwittingly conjure in the future.
What I’m not certain about is what the outcome of all this will be.
Perhaps extinction?
The timing of that was perfect.
Regardless of whether it was a false flag or not, black men (and white men for that matter) are killed by police every week or two in the US anyway, they waited till after America was just coming out of lockdown and tensions were at their highest to make race a thing again for maximum civil unrest.
They do this to divide and conquer, not because they love blacks, they hate them, blacks will be the first to get the deadly vaxx.
And now we know Antifa and Marxist BLM are their dogs, they attack, but only when signaled.
The globalists give billions to these gangs, they’re not grassroots at all.
We know less about Antifa than BLM, but I suspect Antifa is heavily hierarchically organized, the very opposite of the anarchists they profess to be.
At the top is probably some fat multimillionaire or balding billionaire with a suit and tie, or Yakama.
I think that is what they call “Regime Change Tactics”. The CIA has done that to other countries for decades. In a way the US deserves to feel some of what it has been doing to others for a long time and what one former advisor to Mr Trump threatened China with although Mr Trump fired him for it. China decided to show the US that they can play that game too. The serious problem the US has now is that their CIA and FBI are participating in the regime change take down in their own country. They are globalists helping to demolish the USA for sake of global communism. The US is actively committing suicide and taking the world down with it.
This strong push toward Populism came from the Right in the form of Trumpism. I don’t think anybody saw this coming or expected it, to come from the political right before the political left. Because of this, there’s an inversion of values going on. The Left is not actually anti-government, although they claimed to be for decades now. They are merely Partisans. While the political Right is anti-government in general, doesn’t matter who’s in charge.
I’m guessing that there’s a lot of arguments being had throughout the FBI, CIA, and Military about Trump and “Trumpism”/Populism.
Because although many are Deep State Establishment Drones, and thus they favor Democratic corruption over a Washington DC purge, the other half of the Military is strongly obliged, loyal, and serious about upholding the United States Republic. They are sworn to protect it at all costs. So this political battle runs even deeper. The Military, CIA, FBI, and other government intelligent agencies must decide between Partisanship and the Republic. We cannot have both at this point.
That means the CIA needs to stop intervening in what Trump is doing, stop assisting the DNC corruption, and start focusing on foreign enemies and their intrusion, rather than Domestic threats, although we do have enemies on both sides, referring to the DNCommie Brown Shirt thugs (BLM/Antifa terrorists).
Furthermore the Military needs to intervene quickly. Anti-American sentiment, America Hatred, burning the US flag, defunding the police, these are all real. And unless the Deep State gets involved, and actually sides with US Patriots, then they will have their own divergence and civil war.
I believe all caught some glimpses of this during the Trump impeachment (Coup) attempt, because some military/CIA top brass did defend Trump unwittingly, whether they wanted to or not. The DNC simply lied, and the Deep State stayed out of it and tried to stay hidden. Although the corruption already leaked out. It’s already public (like the fact Twitter/Facebook/Youtube/Etc. still censor the whistleblower’s name, whom everybody in USA has a Constitutional Right to hear from, as per Justice we are allowed to face our Accusers in a court of law according to the Constitution).
From what I gather, there was next to no socialism and progressivism in the US before the progressive era of 1895-1915.
People relied more on their families, communities and church than the state in times of need.
So what did dems and republicans argue over?
Unsurprisingly both parties were further to the right than they are today.
Democrats were basically where republicans are now, they were arguing for more capitalism and libertarianism, while republicans were openly arguing for corporatism, instead of covertly practicing it like they do today, and real conservatism, as opposed to the diluted, PC rendition we get now.
Republicans were the party of corporatism, monetarism, protectionism, tariffs, the federal government, urbanity (infrastructure), prohibition and war.
About the only thing they were further to the left on was slavery and segregation, they were abolitionists.
They were popular with the upper classes, big business, WASPs, blacks, urbanites and northeasterners.
Meanwhile democrats were the party of capitalism, states’ rights, rurality, libertarianism, libertinism and peace, but also slavery and segregation.
They were popular with the lower classes, small business, Irish Catholics, ruralites and southwesterners.
Interesting to see how much both parties drifted further left.
The republicans abandoned their authoritarian right roots and relatively embraced libertarianism, while the dems abandoned their libertarian roots and embraced the authoritarian left.
It’s also interesting how ruralites and southerners flipped from dems to reps.
I think this is because they tend to be more self-reliant than urbanites, northeast and west coasters.
They tend to be more independent, and insofar as they are interdependent, they depend on their families, communities and churches.
They’re more suspicious of outsiders and government, especially big, federal or multinational government.
When dems were more capitalist, libertarian and nationalistic, they gravitated to them over authoritarian right reps, but now that reps are more capitalist, libertarian and nationalistic, they gravitate to them over authoritarian left dems.
Right, there is both a populist right and left.
Populists on the left tend to be fiscally socialist and culturally globalist and progressive, populists on the right tend to be fiscally capitalist, culturally civic nationalist and libertarian or ethnonationalist and conservative, whereas fiscally I tend to be more center-left populist and culturally center-right populist.
What I think they have in common is, their opposition to corporatism, war and corruption, their belief in transparent democracy or republicanism as opposed to opaque oligarchy or autocracy.
Populists on the left are your Yangs, Tulsis and Bernies, populists on the right are your Trumps and Rand Pauls.
In Canada the NDP and PPC are our left and right populists respectively.
With the Clintons and Biden, the dems stuck with the establishment, while the reps opted for Trump over the Bushs or Kasich.
This means the dems are more the party of the elite now, unsurprisingly wall street has taken notice, they’re throwing far more money at them than reps.
The establishment are less centrists than they are corporatists and chickenhawks, corrupt and clandestine.
That the masses are catching onto them a bit is disheartening and disconcerting for them.
With the advent of Covid, Antifa and BLM, I believe they want to move us from a softcore tyranny to hard.
They’ve sided more with communists than fascists or national socialists, because these people are the heads of multinational corporations and international organizations, they’ve severed virtually all ties to blood and soil.
Additionally a lot of them are Jews, promoting fascism or national socialism in white countries goes against their interests, altho they may promote them in Israel.
The elite has duped the left more than the right into trusting any and all government and experts.
While I’m not opposed to all fiscal and cultural intervention and experts, we have to be moderate and discerning, and the left more than the right is being taught not to be, and so they will get a big, corrupt form of government.
This was a hit piece, but nonetheless Bannon managed to make a few important points which I have no doubt will be lost on the vast majority of Marr’s audience.
Bannon is right, the reason why the MSM and neocons on both sides of the isle, from the Clintons to the Bushs hate Trump is because they hate democracy, pure and simple.
Most of wall street has backed establishment politicians the Clintons and Biden over Trump because they work for them.
If a libertarian like Rand Paul or a social democrat like Bernie got in there, they would’ve given them the same treatment.
Hillary Clinton accused Tulsi Gabbard, another social democrat who’s more anti-war than Bernie, of being a Russian asset.
Apparently you can’t be against starting wars or challenging the establishment in any way without being a Russian asset.
Of course these’re baseless accusations and conspiracy theories they use to scare the public away from populists both on the right and the left, a public that’s sick to death of corporatism, pre-emptive strike and regime change wars, the 1% and big business getting richer off cheap labor both at home and abroad.
Populists and progressives have different ideas about how to challenge corporatism and the exploitation of both the American worker, undocumented and foreign workers.
Both of them reject crony capitalism.
Populists want real free market capitalism while progressives want social democracy.
Populists are tougher on illegals while progressives want to grant them amnesty and a quick path citizenship.
Ideally both populists and progressives ought to be tougher on corporations who hire the undocumented.
One thing both Trump and Bernie have in common is they’re protectionists.
They want fair trade, not isolationism on the one hand, nor free, unrestricted, exploitive trade on the other.
When it comes to corporatism and the deficit, I don’t think Trump has done much about that, Marr is right about that, but when it comes to challenging the establishment on globalism, he’s made some headway, he’s built more wall, both dems and RINOs have no intention of building anymore wall, with ICE he’s been tougher on illegals, he banned birth tourism, he’s banned immigration from countries with a high degree of terrorism, put protectionist policies in place, got other countries to pay more for their own defense, hasn’t started any new wars, brought some troops home and rebuilt your military.
The 1% and multinationals who’ve gotten richer off cheap labor, and the military industrial complex naturally aren’t happy about any of this, so they want to destroy him by any means necessary, run him into the ground.
Establishment dems and reps have declared war on Trump, they’ve been throwing absolutely everything they can at him for the last 4 years.
He’s in the fight of his life, you have to be play hardball with these people if you want to get anything done and survive.
In crapitalism, i can buy 100 pounds of bananas for like 20$, in one country,
then sell them in another country for 200$.
This is unfair.
Crapitalism loves it when it’s unfair.