Pot=Alcohol=Computer Games

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Some of the people i see smoke pot, and dont even think about homework, and when their parents call their cell phone, they reject the call.

Some adults ive seen drink alcohol and drunkenly neglect their children, they also beat their wifes.

Many of my friends play computer games instead of doing there homework, and when their parents call them to do something, they will keep playing.

Pot is used to escape problems.
Alcohol is used to escape problems.
Computer games are used to escape problems.

Right?

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Yes

But escapism is interesting in that… where is the line?

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The thing is, Hassooni, the issue you’ve raised is about responsibility - not necessarily the specific things people abuse to avoid responsibility. That is, there are as many ways to avoid responsibility as there are responsibilities to avoid: one can be responsible to the highest degree and still smoke pot and play video games, just as surely one can be a lazy degenerate without ever taking part in the activities you’ve mentioned.

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but most people lack this discipline, or responsibilty… its the same concept for each of those…

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Most people lack discipline or responsibilty.

-this has probably always been the case with people generally
but since we now live in one of the most populated periods in history
i.e. there are more people alive at the same time than there ever was
we see all the more clearly that Boredom and Irresponsiblity are central
to human Will…

Good observations!

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Only to a certain extent. Everyone should play computer games!

Computer games = Extremely cheap form of entertainment!

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that can very easily control you and remove your social life and turn u into a vegetable…

i mean i know people who claim they dont let it take hold of them… but they really do…

and also this society is already wasting enough time…

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incomplete…
philosophy is used to escape problems.
religion is used to escape problems.
music is used to escape problems.
art is used to escape problems.

The point is, many things are used to escape problems… the fact that your friends play games instead of study, and that they ignore their parents when they do drugs does not mean that these things are bad. What it does mean is that your friends arent studious, and quite possibly dont care about school…Maybe, just maybe their parents are annoying, or maybe they just dont want to talk to their parents when they are with friends or busy…i sure as hell dont want to talk to my parents when im at my friends house smoking a big joint or hitting the bong. oh yeah BTW im an avid pot smoker(prob. 4-5days a week), just love that ganja…nothing like playing video games high! oh and also, im in university :open_mouth:

I smoke pot because I like it, maybe it is a form of escapism but thats besides the point. I’m getting my double major with honors in psychology and philosophy, im then going to go for my masters and PHD in psychology. People that smoke pot and dont do homework(half my university) would not do homework even if the weed wasent there, so dont blame the drug. The problem is that people label smokers(pot) as irresponsible, stupid, sinful, ignorant blah blah blah… this is fallacious and condescending. People have flaws, and blaming drugs wont help them, irresponsible people need to have that problem addressed, taking away their drug wont fix anything,they will simply look for other mediums in which to find escape.

This is my opinion in a nutshell, if you need clarification or you want to argue any part of what i wrote feel free :slight_smile: in conclusion “right?” no sir, i think you are dead wrong.

DISCLAMER:I am not saying that drugs cannot be a problem, im simply saying that drugs can be used responsibly. If anybody reading this has a problem with drugs(alcohol,chemicals,THC), please get help, the longer you wait, the worst it gets. Drug abuse ends in only one way, death, by suicide or by OD the road of addiction never ends well. Be caucious, know yourself, know your substance.

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well… ur 1 in a million… :stuck_out_tongue:

seriously…

this differs lots from what ive seen…
but yah the parents thing was a bad example im jus trien to communicate that escapeism is everywhre just like youve added…

the way i look at it your brain has capacity
in this country they try to ruine it

how a brain is

50% opposite sex, 25% interests, 15% fun, 10% work

how a brain can be

40% work, 45% spirit… 15% fun
but then this goes into the religious arguement…

or even 85% work is good for atheists and 15% fun

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LOL!!! if an atheist can be 40% work and 60% fun then il agree :laughing:

we could argue for ages about your definition of “spirituality”
for example,i believe atheists can be spiritual…but this is a worthless argument because i think your outlook on life is healthy as it applies to you. Just dont become closed minded or arrogant, some people believe things that may seem trivial to you, even totally retarded… argue, but argue for fun, because at the end of the day, you can bring a horse to water but you cant make him drink :wink:

PS: dont forget about the opposite sex, we are above all animals, and we need to reproduce :stuck_out_tongue:

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Any form of entertainment is a waste of time; Do not read, don’t watch tv, don’t listen to music, don’t even look at these forums; concentrate 100% on work. Sure…

As long as you are productive for the first half of the day, the rest is yours to be entertained.

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I remember when I was a kid, my parents wanted me to try new foods that I didn’t like. One of the big ones would be mushrooms or onions on pizza. Seems to me, everytime this argument came around, the thing they said was, “Oh, for Pete’s sake, Uccisore*, you can’t even taste them!” As a child, this argument seemed pretty compelling- I mean, if you can’t even taste them, I may as well stop complaining and eat it, right? Sadly, it took until I was like 13-14 before things became clear to me, and I finally said, “Wait a minute, if you can’t even taste them, why are you putting them on the damned** pizza in the first place?”
EDIT: Later on, I learned that when my parents weren’t on a soapbox trying to convince anybody of anything, they often laughed and joked about completely obliterated they had gotten the night before, and how lazy, confused, and so on the onions and mushrooms made them- in fact, that was secretly part of their appeal. They never would have said this to me, though, because to me, they had something to prove.
Oh crap, I think I lost the flow of my allegory in there somewhere.

*- This always used to confuse me, because it wouldn’t be until 15 years later that I would actually think of this as a screenname.

**- No, I would never have said ‘damned’ to my mother at that age, or any subsequent age until I had been living on my own for some time.

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Uccisore ur back!!!

:stuck_out_tongue:

im not trieng to say that you concentrate 100% on work…

im saying thatt there is a required moderation

like there is for eating

for sleeping

for studieng

for video games

for doing everything!!

and resort to different forms of entertainment (non addictive ones)

:slight_smile:

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What? Is there a spider on it? What!?!

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(* Starts to beat Uccisore with a broom *)

I got it!

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You go out, make money, and do whatever you want to do for the rest of the day. There is no law enforcing moderation. As long as you can keep paying your bills, you get all the entertainment you want.

Entertainment is entertainment, it’s a source of fun. If you want to get your fun out of only one method, then so be it.

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i wish it was that easy…

:stuck_out_tongue:

or… my dad probabley does…

haha

and i disagree with that last thing you said too

Entertainmen is entertainment

Entertainment breaks into more things

Entertainment - Addictive
- Non-Addictive

And i understand that without any form of escapisim, if you do not know how to deal with it… you will probabley become depressed

so i wonder… wat types are okay…? what types are still forms of escapism but you still become smarter and smarter…? and do not submerge you in blind thought of lore…

And is there even a way around escapism?

and here is a poem i wrote about escapism too

Hangin at the spot
Smokin loads of pot
Doin wat i shud not
Burn them down till i rot

This is wrought upon oneself
Killing us all, sendin us to hell
This is how
We all fell

Drop dead on the floor
Jus like that smelly little whore
The same one who was jus knockin on my door
Now i sit and fight fake lore

To forget about this usual fate
I just recently
Started to hate
Everybody triess to run

Doin things JUST for fun…

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So what is your argument… I don’t seem to understand…

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my arguement is that escapism is bad… - my argument

but in some cases it seems to be necessary… - my argument

but computer games and other addictive ways shud not be a choice…- my argument

but wat types are there that would be good…? - my question

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why is escapism bad, if something is necessary it can’t be bad thats like saying water is bad…

As for types of escapism it has to be a trust issue, you can’t force somebody into beliveing there addicted to something there not and if they belive there not addicted how is it the wrong choice for them, because good types would be a point of view of the user.