psychological solutions to philosophical problems

The question raised by this OP is whether psychology can delineate and define, and solve, philosophical dilemmas.

The given is,that philosophy included psychology starting very early on in history. Psychology did not come into existence until very late, and it differentiated from it along many similar lines. The thought’s underlying such concepts as happiness, wisdom, equilibrium, source from classical ideas of what these should be.

We look at these classical ideas, as forms, which we can be somehow molded into, as in the birth of tragedy, actors wore masks into which their characters were formed.

These masks implied a hidden ness of character, who was the actor, the wearer. The actor’s part, his role,then by extension, became the focus , or attention of the audience.

These formal ways of expression in the art of the theatre, nowadays,have been reduced, or changed into what has become known as absurd theatre, in a postmodern world. Actors do not wear masks any more, their faces blatantly, nakedly express the intended role. There is no form into which their actions through their roles can aspire into. It is, an aspiration in the classical sense, a sublime aspiration, to formalize an act, an action, and a reaction by the audience. Such a process, in a transcendental interpretation is no longer considered of an objective content, except by such retro grades, as perhaps the few followers of Immanual kant who are left. Kant sublime concept, very much indicates this need to understand the ideal concepts of perception into categorical schema into a imminent presence, irrespective of casual considerations, because of basic intuition of perceptions which transcend space and time.

The psychological basis of the formal idea, having become relative and perspective related change the whole content of feeling, knowledge, and realization, because they change impressions of the sublime into subtle and ridiculous postures. These postures have been accepted, Lyotard and others point to this process.

The biochemical reactions to this change are obvious, reliance on pharmacological products are at an all time high, and the neurosis of yesteryear has turned into the psychosis of today. There is no doubt that Shakespeare was right and all the world has turned into a stage.

The birth of tragedy itself is based on a paradox, and it is this paradox which underlies the very nature of how reality is perceived.

Psychology now relates to virtual representations of relative reality, and the causes are indistinct from the effects. Recreational use of drugs cannot be clearly differentiated from its psychologically defined use.

So patterns are obvious, psychology ha become a drug dispensary, therapy has become non consequential, and the base line are not ideas such as the attainment of happiness, or the attainment of wisdom. The objectives are stability of affect, effect, and cognition. These aims are anything but within the bounds of happiness, they are affective albeit trendy ways to impose a behavioristic model upon seekers of happiness, while trying to minimize the biochemical changes which will occur, such as in drug related reactions.

This is why, I think Laing was so right in his last ditch attempt to salvage psychiatry, from the clutches of those, who reduced the idea of Man, into a controlled behavioristic machine. It isn’t working, and the growth of such pseudo occult entities. As scientology growing into humongous institutions is one example of a displaced and yet unsubtle entity.

You seem to run off the point towards the end.
Wy not set a problem and see whether or not Phil or Psych can answer them and how?

 Hobbs, thanks for your suggestion regarding this topic.  The only observation I was making, briefly, was the ontological observation, that there maay be corrolation of modern psychology and ancient philosophy, because they had the same beginning.  The methodology is different, therefore the correspondence was lost.  

 There is no way solutions can be found to the problem of divergence, and the last person who tried was liebnitz.  His treatment was divergence on basis of function, the functional map corresponded to his notion of two ideal spheres.  I cross-cut those spheres, and the area of intersection represented the inclusive portion of the calculus of representation and idea.  This historical process can be an apriori representation, as Kan't fortold. The kantian/hegleian model has been reduced phenomenologically , positively it has been diassociated their desriptions, as a model: it has become positive meaning it has been posited into an in itself which can not be substantiated.  The idea is pure concept.  

In psychology, the parallel event occurs in cases of disassociation, and the very lack of procedure to deal with it along the lines of cognitive analysis, points to the break in the relationship mode of the reductive (regresssive) idea ((valery-s idea fixe) with the behavioristic model.

 I was only pointing out the structural diversion of both: psychology and philosophy as process boith : historica/ontologicall and methodological. The fact that the connection was misplaced as a positive/lingual effect, reinforces the continuum representation of a psychology which owes its emergence to philosophy.

 No problem can be solved along these lines, either philosophically,nor psychologically, since this model has just recently been applied, as a product of an emergent hypothetical  model, it is just a summary of what this emerged continuum looks like.  

I believe this continuum is based on the parellel of a cognitive map that's has hidden dimensions.  That is all I was trying to say.  Point by point applications are excluded from this theoretical-cognitive map.

I think you might have stumbled in your OP.

Psychiatrists are the one’s who prescribe medications. Psychologists do not do this. To distinguish between the two is important.

 Joe: I realize the distinction.  By psychological solutions does not exclude psychiatrists, when drugs are prescribed.  As a matter the OP , reinforces the fact, that most therapy nowadays consists of drug administration, and it has resulted in less effectivity of cognitive therapy.  That is the very point I was making.  It is often that psychologist do the therapy and shrinks do the rx on the psychologist's recommendation.  

But the point was well taken.

A categorical problem?
All psychiatrists are psychologists, but not all psychologists are psychiatrists.

Just a thought…

But maybe your “innocent Bystander” problem could be analysed with Psychology, to add to the Philosophical/ moral dilemma.

In particular, the fact that some people might be willing to press a button to kill the One to save the Five; but ask them to throw the One, bodily, onto the oncoming train to save the Five then you have psychology in place.
OR
Aks them you throw themselves onto the track to save the Five.

  Forseeability is both: a psychological determinant, and a philosophical one.  This is where it first comes up in acquinus in the late middle ages, and you are the clacsisit Hobbs, where divergence started between interpretation and authority, at least the seeds being planted, and the term stuck it out to this day.  It stays within the moral dilemma,which still includes the psychology of it.  So in that day and age the answer was not psychological, although it had elements of it.  Nowadays we can ask, can those people will to do the switching but not the throwing of the victim---and perceive a difference in their actions?  And does this in any way diverge from their moral stand?

I think Joe was more right than you realize.
Psychiatrists consider psychologists to be naive children at play and have no respect for their opinion. A psychiatrist is NOT a psychologist who also uses medications. Psychiatry is the remnants of a cult, having nothing at all to do with Science and still has little regard for it. Psychology is a science upgrade from the metaphysician theorist of older days. The upgrade of the Psychiatrists are the Neuroscientists (a seriously science oriented and exacting group - although almost exclusively military).

Because psychology is in use so very much throughout the world in propaganda of every sort including common advertising, it is not an open science, despite appearances. The use of drugs and radio telemetry are also not open sciences, but far more obviously so.

As to philosophy versus psychology, they are not really much related. Psychology is about the behavior of living entities. Philosophy is about the construct of rational thought, ontologies. People often attempt psychological influence in the world of reasoning, rational thought, but they are not philosophers, rather meddlers.

Philosophy, in an effort to construct useful and rational paradigms of thought, often lead to psychological effects, sometimes as the primary goal. Their psychological output is the result, not the mechanism. Of course, often there is that feedback issue wherein the output, the next generation, affects the input, the construction of thought. Such feedback loops cause a great deal of what is seen as fanatical, extremist behavior in both religious and government arenas.

The philosophy and/or psychology to be used for “solutions” must focus upon a positive feedback effect wherein the next generation will naturally support and/or improve upon the last. Thus such a psychological mindset must be the result of the philosophical ontology. My RM:AO accomplishes that concern; “anentropic entities support their own creation”. The psychological mindset is thus one of bringing focus upon what it is that allowed for you to bring focus upon what supports what you are such as to want to support it. The result is an emphasis on Clarity.

By focusing on Clarity, one automatically reinforces the mind’s effort to make decisions. The psychology is reinforcement of the desire to reinforce clarity. As clarity is strengthened through the desire for and focus upon it, the understanding of the philosophy is inherently strengthened - that very philosophy responsible for bringing the clarity issue to light. The “solutions” are then inherently brought into that same light.

 James, the feedback loop seems to be the connection between psychology as perceived as a science, and an art.  More and more the later is being seen as becoming proximally closer.  Levin tried to quantify psychology corollating it to a cognitive interpretation of Ryle's mathematical map, but was shown to be  faulty and inconsequential.

Your suggestion of a loop feedback is interesting, and it looks like a way out for what has become a kind of receeding horizon for psychology as an exact science, , other than one based on extrinsic interpretation.

Uh? It’s like you are responding to a completely different post.
Your view of Intellectual History is odd to say the least.

Your reference above to the other forum inclined me to utilize that in support of a specific psychological application which You probably ascertained to be relevant.  

On the score of intellectual history, I am not quite sure, I know what it is, since that is not a category of a subject of study here, I would imagine it would cover what they call here in the US as classics.

No. in the UK they call Classics the Classics. That’s where the US got the idea from :smiley:
Intellectual History is the history of Ideas, and usually includes science, philosophy and religion, and the history of history, historiography.
I always thought that there should also be a history of historiography too. Infinite regress anyone?
Geistesgeschichteeistesgeschichte???

The big emphasis tends to be on the “Enlightenment” and the lead up to it. I’m, personally not in favour of it as a concept, and tend to think emically where possible, using terms that are contextual to the contemporaries of the subject. But also for some other more subtle reasons.
It gets pretty droll when I encounter some Internet know it all, that tries to give me a dictionary definition of the Enlightenment, and calls me a twat for questioning it as an idea. But I digress.

It certainly is a category in the US, but the term “History of Ideas” might be more common, it has its exponents in the US too.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Greenblatt
It even has a Wiki entry.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_history