Does anyone here still listen to punk rock? or any of it’s sub-genres?
I grew up on the stuff before I discovered philosophy.
If so, who do you think is the most philosophical punk rock band?
Or is the nature of punk rock nihilistic and not philosophical at all?
Should good punk rock care about social issues or should it be completely nihilistic?
satan is the ultimate rebel.
rebellion is simply an action.
all actions being based in reasons and philosophy being the analysis of reason, the sequence of events you experienced make a lot of sense.
There’s a lot of political punk bands that care about social issues. Anti-Flag probably being the most popular of them all.
Though based on the idea that punk was born out of, no, there shouldn’t be any room to care about social issues. It’s all about “fuck you”.
"Punk’s not dead
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon
A close-minded, self-centered social club
Ideas don’t matter
It’s who you know
If the music’s gotten boring
It’s because of the people who want everyone to sound the same
Who drive the bright people out of our so-called scene
Till all that’s left is a meaningless fad
Hardcore formulas are dogshit
Change and caring are what’s real
Is this a state of mind
Or just another label
The joy and hope of an alternative
Have become its own cliche
A hairstyle’s not a lifestyle
Imagine Sid Vicious at 35
Who needs a scene
Scared to love and to feel
Judging everythng
By loud fast rules appeal
Who played last night?
“I don’t know, I forgot.
But diving off the stage Was a lot of fun.”
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chickenshit conformist
Like your parents
What’s ripped us apart even more than drugs
Are the thieves and the goddamn liars
Flipping people off when they share their stuff
When someone falls are there any friends?
Harder core than thou for a year or two
Then it’s time to get a real job
Others stay home; it’s no fun to go out
When the gigs are wrecked by gangs and thugs
When the thugs form bands, look who gets record deals
From New York metal labels looking to scam
Who sign the most racist queer-bashing bands they can find
To make a buck revving kids up for war
Walk tall, act small
Only as tough as gang approval
Unity is bullshit
When it’s under someone’s fat boot
Where’s the common cause
Too many factions
Safely sulk in their shells
Agree with us on everything
Or we won’t help with anythng
That kind of attitude
Just makes a split grow wider
Guess who’s laughing while the world explodes
When we’re all crybabies
Who fight best among ouselves
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chickenshit conformist
Like your parents
That farty old rock and roll attitude’s back
“It’s competition, man, we wanna break big.”
Who needs friends when the money’s good
That’s right, the '70s are back.
Cock-rock metal’s like a bad laxative
It just don’t move me, ya know?
The music’s OK when there’s more ideas than solos
Do we rally need the attitude too?
Shedding thin skin too quickly
As a fan it disappoints me
Same old stupid sexist lyrics
Or is Satan all you can think of?
Crossover is just another word
For lack of ideas
Maybe what we need
Are more trolls under the bridge
Will the metalheads finally learn something-
Or will the punks throw away their education?
No one’s ever the best
Once they believe their own press
“Maturing” don’t mean rehashing
Mistakes of the past
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chickenshit conformist
Like your parents
The more things change
The more they stay the same
We can’t grow
When we won’t criticize ourselves
The '60s weren’t all failure
It’s the '70s that stunk
As the clock ticks we dig the same hole
Music scenes ain’t real life
They won’t get rid of the bomb
Won’t eliminate rape
Or bring down the banks
Any kind of real change
Takes more time and work
Than changing channels on a TV set
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chickenshit conformist
Like your parents"- Biafra
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-Imp
I listen to punk, mostly Oi!
I think punk rock is mindless garbage. It is not revolutionary in the least bit, but another market device to make money off of naive angry youth.
I listen to the Pixies who influenced Nirvana who inspired Radiohead. They are holy trinity for me. Radiohead isn’t punk but they are political and call things into question for you to think about. They say they aren’t political, but they have albums called Ok Computer and Hail to the Thief.
Here is a pixies video. “Where is my mind” from the movie Fight Club.
I just bought a car that came with a 6-month subscription to satellite radio, and so I am listening to punk again. Wouldn’t have paid to, though.
I love the Pixies - “Where Is My Mind” is one of my favorites. They use to play in a club in Providence and another in Boston a lot back in the day. I think they’re from that area. CT-RI-MA - I’m not sure. Nano - you might know.
Punk wasn’t revolutionary - it was reactionary. Music is music, though.
Politics, philosophy - lotta people have such views. Even musicians.
Is this really the prevalnce of music in American culture? It requires music to coat everything in honey, make it simple and understandable, and make the individual think about “important” things? Doesn’t anyone even pick up a book on their own anymore?
I like punk and rock too but the idea of being motivated to think about philosophies and new ideas because of a song or a band is just petty. Tool gets mentioned all the time, I really really enjoy their music, but to say that you like music because of the philosophy behind it? Come on…
influenced by music is petty?
better stop publishing hymnals…
and close off gospel music…
people get inspired by lots of things…
-Imp
You’re addressing people’s emotions and not their logic. Gospels, war songs, hymns, they all induce their respective emotional states. Philosophy should rely on logic, not the emotions that music instills. I do think it’s petty to say “I like this song mainly, if not wholly, because of the logic behind the preacher’s words”. It’s nonsensical.
all I am saying is that it moves people to act… some makes some act certain ways, others make others…
-Imp
ps. listen to Rush lyrics
I think it’s petty to judge why anyone may like a song or not. It’s just a song.
it all comes down to satan being the ultimate rebel. if you are of a rebellious mind, it follows you would like punk rock.
Wonderer, are you claiming that punk is essentially satanic? And/or that rebellion itself is?
I’m not sure a lot of punks could even spell “Satan”.
Ever heard Joey Ramone talk? He’s not a deep guy.
That’s exactly my point. Logic is not the reason why someone likes/doesn’t like a song. You can’t criticize someone because they like RnB and praise someone that likes Tool. Either you do or don’t like the song. It has nothing to do with reasoning, which is why I believe saying “I like this song because of the philosophy”, or because “it makes you think” is petty. If you want to think, read a book, have a new experience, reflect upon something on your own. If you want to enjoy music, enjoy music. I am not the universal judge of pettiness. If there is an argument against mine, I’d be glad to hear it. For those who only like their music with reason, I’m sorry that the individual behind this username finds your reasoning petty.
Oh and another note, I’d forgotten about this but I just saw it again. Faust, why do they call it “dope”?
I saw those guys live at the Rage Against The Machine concert I went to recently. Pretty cool stuff.
I never really saw the Pixies as punk, just more of an indie rock band. I like them a lot, along with Bright Eyes.
Punk is pretty crappy music in my opinion, with a few exceptions.
Impious-You got to see Rage?? Lucky son of a…
Reagan Youth =D>
after I read this I went to check them out… they’re amazing 