# Questions re: Nietzsche’s “Genealogy of Morals”
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986
**Category:** Society, Government, and Economics
**Created:** [November 25, 2022, 4:53am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986 "2022-11-25T04:53:21Z")
**Posts on this page:** 9
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [November 30, 2022, 3:34am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986/21 "2022-11-30T03:34:22Z")
> [@HumAnIze](#):
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> > I’d rather be pissed off than pissed on. And that’s what happens when you do a pissing contest in the wind.
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> So don’t do that then. Problem solved. Simple.
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> Not sure why you’re complaining then. But feel free to weigh in on, oh I don’t know any of the actual ideas being discussed here. Or not.
Thanks. That’s very kind of you. But just for the record, you did piss all over yourself, and I avoided it.
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### Author:  [@Zeroeth\_Nature](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Zeroeth_Nature)
#### Post date: [November 30, 2022, 6:44am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986/22 "2022-11-30T06:44:30Z")
> [@HumAnIze](#):
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> > [@Zeroeth Nature](#):
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> > > Your only sense of duty should be to the truth, otherwise you have no idea what philosophy even is (in theory or otherwise).
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> > Are you sure, though?
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> Yes. Because the truth is literally everything. So any other possible duties you might have are already contained within the truth anyway. Therefore the truth itself supersedes all lesser (more individual) duties, especially when these (as is often the case) are enacted at the expense of truth itself (and unnecessarily at the expense of other “lesser” (more individual-individuated) truths)
And you’re sure I wasn’t talking about duty to the truth in the first place?
> [@HumAnIze](#):
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> I can tell you are quite good at self-deception though. […]
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> In your own mind I am sure you are quite a lot of things.
So you’re sure of that, at least. But someone who’s sure is not a philosopher, but either wise or delusional.
“Absence of the will in the addressee to actualize voluntary intelligible notions in cities or nations somehow affects his theoretical understanding of them, or it produces a lack of enthusiasm for divine and human things as distinguished from logic and physics.” (Mahdi, “The Attainment of Happiness”, ‘The Investigator and the Prince’.)
> [@HumAnIze](#):
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> > [@Zeroeth Nature](#):
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> > > Do I have to? I mean all I wanted was an answer to my simple question, and you didn’t even give me that much. Now you want me to read your entire fetish blog or what?
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> > No, not you. And I did give what you asked for.
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> No you didn’t. I asked for specific examples, which you did not provide.
You asked for examples, not specific examples. And I immediately provided multiple examples.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [November 30, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986/23 "2022-11-30T15:08:12Z")
I think maybe one cause of Nietzsche’s contradictions may be his definition of power & the Dionysian. He seems to rationalize which emotions are actually powerful & which aren’t… I think that’s where he whammied himself into the point of no return. I’ll come back to it. I think if he was truly of power, the contradictions wouldn’t be there.
It is bizarre to me that some one would try to interpret a “will of the people” (of one mind) into his thoughts on being of one will.
Still processing.
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### Author:  [@HumAnIze](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/HumAnIze)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2022, 1:06pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986/24 "2022-12-02T13:06:13Z")
> [@Ichthus77](#):
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> > [@HumAnIze](#):
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> > > [@Ichthus77](#):
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> > > I’d rather be pissed off than pissed on. And that’s what happens when you do a pissing contest in the wind.
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> > So don’t do that then. Problem solved. Simple.
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> > Not sure why you’re complaining then. But feel free to weigh in on, oh I don’t know any of the actual ideas being discussed here. Or not.
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> Thanks. That’s very kind of you. But just for the record, you did piss all over yourself, and I avoided it.
Literally no idea what you mean, or why you need to keep making up lies and saying weirdly untrue things. Is it really that difficult to simply engage in the debate? What are you afraid of?
Stop the childish ad homs and made-up insults, and start taking responsibility.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986/25 "2022-12-02T15:48:12Z")
Ok. I _always_ do what I’m told.
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### Author:  [@HumAnIze](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/HumAnIze)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986/26 "2022-12-04T19:39:43Z")
> [@Ichthus77](#):
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> Ok. I _always_ do what I’m told.
“You’re not my supervisor.”
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2022, 2:04am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986/27 "2022-12-05T02:04:59Z")
#context
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [March 17, 2026, 6:53am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986/28 "2026-03-17T06:53:17Z")
> [@Ichthus77](#):
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> Why did Nietzsche say he is not a man of deeds after emphasizing the importance of action, and refer to himself as an “evil” egoist—the language of slaves (to his estimation)?
> [rsleve.people.wm.edu/FNLAS\_1882.html](https://rsleve.people.wm.edu/FNLAS_1882.html)
Man wants to be an agent of chaos, willing bullshit rather than not will, until he meets woman and becomes an egoist who doesn’t even know what is in his _rational_ self-interest.
_micdrop_
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [October 29, 2026, 2:33am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/questions-re-nietzsche-s-genealogy-of-morals/48986/29 "2026-10-29T02:33:00Z")
> [@Ichthus77](#):
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> 1. no one suspected.“
I want to finish the quote from that section. “Oh how _fortunate_ we are, we men of knowledge, provided only that we know how to keep silent long enough!”
See also: “_our_ … _quiet_ problem and one which fastidiously directs itself to a few ears” (begining of section 5 of the first essay) … “a silent struggle as a rule” (middle of section 14 in third essay) … “the noble mode of valuation … in respect to the sphere with which it is _not_ sufficiently familiar … gaurded … misunderstands … looking down from a superior height … _falsifies_ the image … _in effigie_ … by the submerged hatred, the vengefulness of the impotent,” (section 10 of first essay). It’s interesting that he thinks a slave mindset is more critical and therefore understanding or familiar with the noble sphere than vice versa. Did he diagnose this from a pathos of distance? He seems super conflicted.
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