Quit holding back on me.

You need a Teddy bear, one of those really huge ones. Great for a hug or great as a punching bag.

If I know what I know then let you know, then what you know will change what I know then you know what I don’t know,but if you know then let me know then I know what you know and what i know will not be what you know,you know?

I guess there are people who love to play the victim on web boards… :-k

it’s a pity that it doesn’t work.

Maybe Fabiano is right RU. You’re looking for some type of satisfaction in a detached realm trying to get reactions in a mirror where many faces present themselves. When you find associations you can relate to, you offer little. Then, there are people who are really give some objective advice and you dismiss it as pretentious. You might want to reconsider where you sparingly share your thoughts (i.e. detached realm) and speak your mind in the real world.

#-o

You guys just do not get it, do you? I am not a victim of anything!!!

And I don’t want “objective advice” about “personal problems”. I don’t have any “personal problems” whatsoever.

I have the same problems everybody has, the only difference is that other people are better at pretending they don’t exist.

So you are happy with your “life”??? That is dandy; it really is.

Then you should already-know-by-now “the meaning of life” and what “Philosophy” means by definition… (but you don’t)

then you are not playing the victim, RUO… [-X

you’re just somewhat confused… :unamused:

Here, let us catch up on this thread, since I see everybody again does not listen to a single word I say. I type in English; nobody reads.

First thread deviation.

This thread is about you, not me, but in order to avoid exposing yourself, you shift the focus back onto me.

(while you are the one holding me back, now reinforced)

Second thread deviation.

Rhetoric shift from you-to-me.

Third thread deviation.

Rhetoric shift maintained from you-to-me.

And then MJK has the audacity to say that I am to blame for this rhetoric shift!?!?

Fourth thread deviation.

Rhetoric maintained.

This is the first commendable response thus far, but the suggestion is misleading.

If you are holding me back, then why should I share more? Maybe you should share more???

Rhetoric shift from you-to-me.

And the conclusions are odd: I think I’m on a “higher plane”? No no no, I am on a “lower plane” of existence.

And I should lower my expectations of others? Does this world need even more mediocrity?

Fifth thread deviation.

Sixth thread deviation.

Insinuation & implication. → that I might be a “philosopher” but not a “man”.

Pure rhetoric.

These statements mean Nothing in-and-of-themselves.

You are accusing me of something and then you divert your accusation toward rhetoric.

Seventh thread deviation.

This is not about me; this is about you holding back on me.

Eighth thread deviation, but at least you have some depth to your accusation IW…

Rhetoric shift. → the thread deviates from “me” and “my problems”, which I never brought up myself (mind you), toward the topic of God.

And so now, where we stand, I am the one with “personal problems” when this thread was never about me to begin with. You are holding me back. I am attempting to get loose from you, but you will not let me. And in every attempt I made to escape you, you turn around and keep me right where I am! Either I am a genius or you are! You just dodged everything I threw and kept me in place!!! You hold onto me and say “[i]WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU CAN LEAVE ANYTIME YOU WANT!!! (smirk giggle smirk)[/i]” Talk of irony! You “people” are something else. Just let me go already and say something yourself!

Here is an analogy: :romance-ballandchain:

A guy is running toward the touchdown. Another guy jumps on him and holds him in place.

The guy running says “hey get off me! why are you holding me back?”

The guy latching says “It’s not my problem; it’s your problem.”

The guy running says “HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER!?”

The guy latching says “Quit crying about your own personal problems!”

:angry-banghead:

Next Faust is going to come in here and claim that I make all my threads about me, funnily-enough…

Here’s one that just came to me.

You could study logic. All this romanticism BS about finding ultimate truth is sceaming emotional immaturity. For god’s sake man, some stuff just isn’t knowable by it’s own definition, tell yourself that’s where this truth is that you’re looking for, deal with the fact that your knowledge of it won’t be of a scientific nature, or even an equivallent epistemological status, and learn how to argue in the first place as if what you assume a priori is true. Then maybe you could convince people of things and the world would be your video game. Shit, you might even get into some game theory or decision theory, it’s alot more work to study those things, and the logic of them, than it is to read existentialist horseshit and spew it back all oever everyone with intentionally provocative, (needy) hints of racism, sexism and all that.

If you really thought that minorities or women were inferior, then what does it say about you that you want to argue with them? Saying that you might learn something would be a contradiction. Saying it for fun makes you an insensitive asshole, and that’s really all there is to those kinds of discussions. You can jerk off for longer, and with more redundant repeated quotes from other posters, but you know as well as I, that those conversations are terminal.

By the way, I think when you call yourself a philosopher or truth seeker, that that’s also part of your coping mechanism. You don’t mean that shit. If you did, then your actions point in the opposite direction of your beliefs, which in layman’s terms means your dumb. I don’t think you or I either think that you’re dumb, so this can’t be right.

All it really boils down to is that you’re just afraid. You’ve gotta put down those existentialists if you’re ever gonna get past that fear and trembling.

Sorry I know that sort of trailed off into somewhat of a mild rant. But there ya go, my stream of consciousness. I’m not even checking for spelling errors. Just moving right along and clicking submit…

Okay RU, I’m back to the molars with pliers in hand, before I go to wearing dentures, please inform us how we hold you back. I’m going to throw out some suggestions, if these don’t hit mark, then please make the target more clear for us.

  1. Are we not smart enough to philosophize with?

  2. What are we doing that is holding you back?

  3. What is it you require to satisfy your time here at ILP?

  4. What is it exactly do you want?

I do not need to study ‘logic’. I write the rules of ‘logic’.

That is not true!

What is not-knowable by its own definition???

That is not true either!

The knowledge that I assume a priori is never true!

I do not care so much for video games anymore Smears; they bore me insanely.

Is that what you think? → that I am “racist”, “sexist”, and “all that”??? :laughing:

I wish it were true that I was; I really do. Yes, I do intend to provoke, but what I want to say in-turn is the best-possible-thing.

Why don’t you tell me the meaning of life??? Why don’t you tell me the meaning of philosophy???

If I contradict myself, then everything is finished, and I can be “happy” and live a “life”. Point it out to me.

Don’t believe that I want to be “right” about anything I say. I would much rather be “wrong” and you be right.

Then I wouldn’t have to think at all. I could suck down some “cold ones” with “da boyz” and watch the football game.

I would like to be a “philosopher” just as much as the next man wants to be a “carpenter”, a “janitor”, or a “soldier”.

I was genetically-predetermined to be what I am. It’s not a matter of what I “like to be” or “call myself”. I am what I am. I do what I do.

I want to be certain of something. What does this make me, other than human?

What am I afraid of, other than being wrong?

I overcame my fear (of being wrong) long ago, in college actually. The only thing that causes me to tremble now is anger.

Well done, at least one of us being honest around here.

You hold me back by holding back on me. Why don’t you tell me why you hold back on me? → What are you scared of?

Am I going to bite you…? Why would I…?

I do not see why not.

You are grabbing me by my collar and you don’t want me to move forward.

I don’t know why you even grabbed me in the first place…

I require the same satisfaction that you requires: justification … for being myself perhaps? ← an animal.

Rhetorically-speaking, I want the same thing you want. I think I just want it more.

Sex, drugs, rock-n-roll? What more is there? A purpose maybe?

It’s easy to see that, just like Aidan Mclaren, you just want some attention, Realunoriginal.

I hope you’re enjoying it. :smiley:

RU,

I have lived every day of my life from the age of three in hole which was put underneath me.
I’m not going to get into details. I’ve had anxiety disorder since the age of four, depression since the age of twelve, and somewhere between twelve and nineteen(now) my symptoms have become so complex that the best psychologist in the country misdiagnosed me after a month of observation. I only found out all this a year ago, that I even had a mental illness, and I still have no clear diagnosis, but that is not the point.

I have an intelligence that was formed through illness. A masterful skill for perception and deception that is so ingrained in me that I decieve myself and all those around me so completely that I and they doubt themselves as to what is reality and sophistry, no matter how they take apart my words.

I developed an intellect through illness. They ability to decieve, to convince myself and all those around me of a falsehood that would allow me to live in isolation, away from the world, away from the things that my brain convinced me to stay away from.

To feel is to hurt. To speak is to hurt. To move is to hurt. To be seen is to hurt. To see is to hurt. To love is to hurt. To like is to hurt.
To live is to hurt.

How do I know that this is a lie? When my mind stops thinking, stops trying to convince me of so many untruths, even for a moment, and I can feel the smallest emotion, it is life. My thoughts makes me feel like so closed, so alone and disconnected, because I make everything about me, about my situation, and never allow myself to be a part of anything. Anything at all, not a leaf, not a person, nothing.

The leaf was always there, away, apart, it was nothing, because it was not me, and I was nothing, because I was not it.

You will not allow yourself to feel, because you intellectualis all in life, to the point where to express your thoughts and to convince others of your righteousness and to convice yourself becomes an addiction, I know this, because I am the same.

You will discount this, as would I, if the roles were reversed, but if you can surrender thought, even for a moment, and allow yourself to feel, you will know that thought is not the only way, and to feel is not only to hurt.

To me, feeling anything other than the despair of my intellectualisations is so strange, too strange. Do not live the same way. If I could live any other way, I would, but like I said, it’s all I’ve known since I was three years old, and it’s all I can remember. For you, perhaps you can relight the embers of life from the happiness of your memories.

I wish you were right Fabiano. My disproof of your statement is right here:

I understand; my mind is addicted to convincing myself of something that is not true … anything.

I only discount Nothing.

Outside of thought, my feelings are bland & boring. They offer me nothing but feel-good “happiness”.

It’s like eating a cookie. I am not going to orgasm over it.

The happiness of my life dwells in a distant past and I must walk very long roads back to it.

Ultimately, it is not worth the journey, because I can see where I’m headed: down darker roads.

P.S. Thank you for not holding back on me!

…that is why you are not supposed to stray far from the path, or it’s hell to get back!

The thing you call “happiness” is your path, woman, not mine.

RU

Magsj means, I think, that happiness is not the path, happiness is the reward you get for following the path you are suited to/meant for.

he doesn’t accept advices from women… :laughing:

I wonder what she meant after you tear down all her insinuations… :-k